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Thread: Who won the VP Debate?

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    Re: Who won the VP Debate?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    I heard a few 'qualified' wins for Obama, in a variety of vehicles. And some very half-assed admissions.
    That's pretty partisan. I think that TD described it well with his Hiroshima analogy. Romney just plain smoked Obama in that debate.
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    Re: Who won the VP Debate?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    yep, Donna Brazille claimed Obama won as she did with Biden. That is sort of like saying Hiroshima stomped the Enola Gay
    I'd give Biden the win for the reasons I described, but it's just crazy talk to claim that Obama won his debate. Great analogy, by the way.

    The argument I've seen thus far for Obama winning was based on content, but as I said in one of those threads, content doesn't matter in a presidential debate. What matters is how it affects the public. The public has clearly declared Romney the winner of that debate by a huge margin.

    Ironically, though, I'd say that content has more of an impact on a VP debate, since the people who are interested enough to pay attention to a VP debate seem to be more likely to be affected by content.
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    Re: Who won the VP Debate?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    That's pretty partisan. I think that TD described it well with his Hiroshima analogy. Romney just plain smoked Obama in that debate.
    I thought the debate was pretty 'meh' and the victory overblown. Yes, Obama was flat and lost; however, Romney didn't exactly impress me.

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    Re: Who won the VP Debate?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    I'd give Biden the win for the reasons I described, but it's just crazy talk to claim that Obama won his debate. Great analogy, by the way.

    The argument I've seen thus far for Obama winning was based on content, but as I said in one of those threads, content doesn't matter in a presidential debate. What matters is how it affects the public. The public has clearly declared Romney the winner of that debate by a huge margin.

    Ironically, though, I'd say that content has more of an impact on a VP debate, since the people who are interested enough to pay attention to a VP debate seem to be more likely to be affected by content.
    Objectively Ryan won but given the fact that the Obama campaign was hemorrhaging credibility after the ass whipping Mitt laid on Obunny you might have a point. But Ryan certainly proved he has the gravitas to be VP given the current clown in the office was not superior to him and appeared to have been engaged in some butt chugging or some reefer prior to the debate

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    Re: Who won the VP Debate?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    That's pretty partisan. I think that TD described it well with his Hiroshima analogy. Romney just plain smoked Obama in that debate.
    I think Obama's flatness was less detrimental than Biden's throwing his arms up and looking to God, fierce interruption, belligerence, laughing inappropriately (like he couldn't control himself until his turn), whining about "15 seconds" and flat-out calling the opponent a liar with a big 'you lie!' But Biden's flop (which should be under full-assault by the etiquette crowd) doesn't much matter so whatevs.

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    Re: Who won the VP Debate?

    I've always been a quasi-defender of Biden, but he has squandered my good will now by tapping into one of my two knee-jerk prejudices. He was indefensibly rude. Devoid of gravitas. Clownish. I think he wasn't aware that he was on a split-screen.

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    Re: Who won the VP Debate?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    I thought the debate was pretty 'meh' and the victory overblown. Yes, Obama was flat and lost; however, Romney didn't exactly impress me.
    Oh, as far as my personal take on Obama and Romney goes, my previous bias that they both suck remains intact. The only one of the four for whom my opinion has changed at all was Biden, because I kind of like the crafty old coot now. I think he almost played up the idea that he is a doddering old moron in order to drag Ryan down.
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    Re: Who won the VP Debate?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    I think Obama's flatness was less detrimental than Biden's throwing his arms up and looking to God, fierce interruption, belligerence, laughing inappropriately (like he couldn't control himself until his turn), whining about "15 seconds" and flat-out calling the opponent a liar with a big 'you lie!' But Biden's flop (which should be under full-assault by the etiquette crowd) doesn't much matter so whatevs.
    See, I have a totally opposite take on that. I think Biden is a lot craftier than he's given credit for.
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    Re: Who won the VP Debate?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    I think he almost played up the idea that he is a doddering old moron in order to drag Ryan down.
    That sounds a little detached.

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    Re: Who won the VP Debate?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    I think Biden is a lot craftier than he's given credit for.
    I suppose I'm a bit more of a formalist in regard to the debates.

    I steer away from the "he sabotaged himself to hurt the other" arguments; I think such impugns the character of the one being apologized for and is, thus, self-defeating.

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