To name two. Those are not GOP pundits.
If we look at the debate in a vacuum, devoid of any overall context, I'd say Biden won it by a very slim margin. But when you add in the context of how Biden has been portrayed as a doddering befuddled old moron by those on the right, Ryan ends up being the guy who got beat ever so slightly by a doddering befuddled old moron. Anybody who gets beat by a doddering befuddled moron must be really ****ing stupid. Even a slight loss looks horrible in that context, IMO.
Tucker Case - Tard magnet.
I actually didn't watch the debates because I went to the Western Kentucky-Troy game, and I could only record one program at a time. A's and Tigers took precedence over the veep debates.
This thread makes me actually wanna look up a way to see the debate in its entirety. I went into yesterday thinking that the only way Biden could lose this debate is to piss his pants or repeatedly drop the F bomb or something. I'm seeing a lot of backup for Ryan here, and I'm hella curious now.
"No religion is true, but some religion, any religion, is politically necessary. Law and morality are insufficient for the large majority of men. Obedience to the law and to the morals are insufficient for making men happy. […]Law and morality are therefore in need of being supplemented by divine rewards and punishments."
Originally Posted by Paratrooper
This is simply not true. I will not deny that I am biased, I believe the vast majority of this forum is, on the other hand look at the difference in how people are responding to this debate vs the other one. Its not just Republicans saying Biden came across as a jerk.
Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive
Right, it's anyone who has a double standard for Republicans and Democrats when it comes to aggressiveness. Democrats are notorious for looking weak and refraining from aggression in comparison to Republicans. As soon as a Democrat does get aggressive, he's all of a sudden "rude" and "disrespectful." Please.
Take out Biden's theatrics and Ryan's evasiveness on certain issues.
Look at the issues where they actually had exchanges and you see that they both made some good points. Both stretched the truth (to me this is not at all surprising, politicians+stretching the truth has become a common joke in our culture)