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Thread: Who won the VP Debate?

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    Re: Who won the VP Debate?

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Biden's sneering - and everyone talking about it - might reduce the acceptability of how hard Obama can go on the attack - where before this debate everyone on both sides fully expected him to do so. The Obama-Biden team is starting to risk coming across as extremely arrogant - Obama seeing himself as to above it all to bother with and Biden so sneering down old man.

    THE DUMBEST moment in the debate was Biden RAGING that it is irrelevant if Iran obtains enough material to make atomic bombs because "they have nothing to put it into to make a bomb!!!!" Over and over.
    Nothing dumb about it. Iran doesn't have any enriched uranium OR spent plutonium nuclear fuel rods--the only two weapons-grade substances that can be used for a A-bomb.

    What's dumb is when right wingers try to play adult, as shown below. . .

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    That is sooooo ignorant it hard to explain as it is a known simplistic technology back to the very first atomic bomb. Put two halves of enough material for an atomic bomb at each end of a pipe with an explosive charge behind both -
    And where/how is Iran going to get the weapons-grade material to put in the bomb?

    Until then, stick w/the talking points conservatives do understand, like Obama's birth certificate, whether he's Muslim, and if he's gonna kill babies. And please don't play w/your Dad's gun. Thank you.

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    Re: Who won the VP Debate?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    A day ago I wondered here if the right would be as honest in assessing a poor performance by their man the way the left did with Obama. I doubted that they would.

    The reaction from the right tonight confirms that.
    By this assessment Ryan would have stomped Obama had he been in that debate. Obama simply quit. Ryan fought it out to the end.
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    Re: Who won the VP Debate?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    The CNN poll had Ryan beating Biden, 48 to 44 percent.

    On substance it was a virtual wash, but Biden came across as pushy and disrespectful.

    Personally, I don't think anybody came out ahead.
    I think you misunderstood my post. I agree with the CNN poll on what the general populace might vote and this is not about opinion ... I am referencing the DP poll where Biden went from being ahead by almost 20 votes to Ryan in less than a minute collecting 60 votes ahead. I thought it was a forum malfunction.

    Did anyone else notice this?
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    Re: Who won the VP Debate?

    This shows how skewed the polls are. Two liberal news stations came up with two completely different results. Biden's behavior is what lost him the debate.
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    Re: Who won the VP Debate?

    Meh.

    Obama was far too polite to Romney who was very aggressive, and at times disrespectful. Biden gave a little bit back.

    Before the debates, I figured there would be some good cop/bad cop routines played out as there often are, and especially from the Democratic side, I am not surprised. Obama wanted to appear calm and presidential while Biden's role was to play the role Obama couldn't.

    Reading through the various comments in these sorts of threads, I find myself wondering if these are the first debates people have ever seen? Seems par for the course so far.
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    Re: Who won the VP Debate?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    Umm, seems you've that backwards...

    Ryan: 44%
    Biden: 53

    Poll: Who Do You Think Won the VP Debate? - U.S. Election 2012 - CNBC

    By the way, you still haven't answered ... what did I claim Obama won? Don't pull a "Ryan" on me ... answer the question ...
    That link still shows Ryan winning, though by a smaller margin.
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    Re: Who won the VP Debate?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    Meh.

    Obama was far too polite to Romney who was very aggressive, and at times disrespectful. Biden gave a little bit back.

    Before the debates, I figured there would be some good cop/bad cop routines played out as there often are, and especially from the Democratic side, I am not surprised. Obama wanted to appear calm and presidential while Biden's role was to play the role Obama couldn't.

    Reading through the various comments in these sorts of threads, I find myself wondering if these are the first debates people have ever seen? Seems par for the course so far.
    If the roles were reversed and it was Ryan who was constantly interrupting, laughing, and being snarky, I would have been disgusted. To me that simply has no place in politics. If you want to be the leader of a nation (or the #2), you have to have some self control and some common decency.

    There are plenty of articles, and social media post from democrats and republicans that are saying Biden loses points in their mind for coming across as a jerk.

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    Re: Who won the VP Debate?

    It does seem strange.

    I have noticed there are more conservatives on this forum than there used to be, though. Maybe it's legit.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dion View Post
    I think you misunderstood my post. I agree with the CNN poll on what the general populace might vote and this is not about opinion ... I am referencing the DP poll where Biden went from being ahead by almost 20 votes to Ryan in less than a minute collecting 60 votes ahead. I thought it was a forum malfunction.

    Did anyone else notice this?

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    Re: Who won the VP Debate?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    Meh.

    Obama was far too polite to Romney who was very aggressive, and at times disrespectful. Biden gave a little bit back.

    Before the debates, I figured there would be some good cop/bad cop routines played out as there often are, and especially from the Democratic side, I am not surprised. Obama wanted to appear calm and presidential while Biden's role was to play the role Obama couldn't.
    There's a difference between 'aggressive' and 'dismissing and insulting'. Equating Romney's and Biden's behaviour is an intellectually dishonest smear. Romney didn't roll his eyes, laugh heartily at Obama or throw his hands in the air and look up to God.

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    Re: Who won the VP Debate?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paratrooper View Post
    If the roles were reversed and it was Ryan who was constantly interrupting, laughing, and being snarky, I would have been disgusted.
    You mean, like Romney was doing?

    That you see one, but not the other is simply testimony to your partisanship.
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