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Thread: Who won the VP Debate?

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    Re: Who won the VP Debate?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    I think it was even in terms of points, Ryan looked more professional. I think what helped Biden the most was after the napalming Obama took Biden didn't get destroyed. Ryan's biggest failings was not really hammering Biden's really dumb comments such as the most serious sanctions and the Libyan knowledge thing
    I'll bet Romney told him to maintain his dignity and be polite the entire time. Result: Ryan showed Biden great respect, and always called him Mr Vice President. He didn't raise his voice. He did well for a first timer, against a veteran. He didn't even get close to being stomped by Biden, and did pretty well on foreign issues given Biden's higher level of experience. For now I'm calling it a draw, because some will like Biden's behavior. I think most won't, but we'll see in the next few days.
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    Re: Who won the VP Debate?

    Biden's sneering - and everyone talking about it - might reduce the acceptability of how hard Obama can go on the attack - where before this debate everyone on both sides fully expected him to do so. The Obama-Biden team is starting to risk coming across as extremely arrogant - Obama seeing himself as to above it all to bother with and Biden so sneering down old man.

    THE DUMBEST moment in the debate was Biden RAGING that it is irrelevant if Iran obtains enough material to make atomic bombs because "they have nothing to put it into to make a bomb!!!!" Over and over.

    That is sooooo ignorant it hard to explain as it is a known simplistic technology back to the very first atomic bomb. Put two halves of enough material for an atomic bomb at each end of a pipe with an explosive charge behind both - shooting the two balls of the material into each other and BOOM! you have an atomic explosion such as WWII. A trip to Home Depot, reload powder from a gunshop, and a hobby shop for a $20 model rocket igniter and you have what you need. An old cut-down cannon barrel or any solid pipe is plenty good.

    It is alarming to think our cities' safety is dependence upon that level of scientific and military ignorant - particularly raging ignorance meaning not willing to listen or learn anything contradicting that ignorance.
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    Re: Who won the VP Debate?

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    Yeah, but more complimentary jokes as a result of these kind of performances. Ryan came over as being way out of his depth.
    The only credible poll out right now is the CNN poll. Ryan 48. Biden 44. We expect the poltiical hacks to go with their guy, but even such as David Gregory slammed Biden.


    Your partisan opinion is noted though.

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    Re: Who won the VP Debate?

    Biden was a condescending old man. He looked foolish. I don't see how he could have helped Obama with younger voters or undecideds.
    I think his attack on the intelligence community, blaming them for Obama's insistence that the embassy attack sprung out of a protest, is going to really hurt Obama. There was real time evidence that our embassy was attacked by terrorists. Not only did Obama not protect the embassy on 9-11, but he orchestrated a cover-up about all aspects of the attack and lack of protection.

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    Re: Who won the VP Debate?

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    So who do you think won the debate?
    It's important to remember that the debate is all about winning the heart and minds of lower-middle class GOP swing voters--working class folk who don't understand numbers/facts but only emotion.

    Thus, if all Biden did was act emotional and smirk at Ryan, while Ryan looked professional, then Ryan lost

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    Re: Who won the VP Debate?

    It was notable that there was 1/3rd as many tweets as the presidential debate. I think most people changed channels. I had to force myself to watch it after the first half hour and found I was finding excuses to leave the room (go to the kitchen, check on the dogs, adjust the thermostat...) Unfortunately, it didn't become interesting until the last 30 minutes and by then I think most people had turned it off.

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    Re: Who won the VP Debate?

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    I'll bet Romney told him to maintain his dignity and be polite the entire time. Result: Ryan showed Biden great respect, and always called him Mr Vice President. He didn't raise his voice. He did well for a first timer, against a veteran. He didn't even get close to being stomped by Biden, and did pretty well on foreign issues given Biden's higher level of experience. For now I'm calling it a draw, because some will like Biden's behavior. I think most won't, but we'll see in the next few days.
    He seldom directly call him ANYTHING and there were actually a couple of times he called him Joe. Granted he WAS respectful but other than Biden interupting him The VP was also respectful as well. One can 't call interuptions disrespectful in out modern debate forums because EVERY candidate has done it and WILL do it. Even Ryan interupted Biden a few times. Romney interupted Lerher so many times it was pathetic. But for a first timer in a debate of that scale I will grant that Ryan did do an admirable job.
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    Re: Who won the VP Debate?

    Quote Originally Posted by solletica View Post
    working class folk who don't understand numbers/facts but only emotion.
    There it is, the much vaunted "TRUTH".

    ~"You lower-middle class workers can't handle the truth!" (It's no wonder how some people support genocidal dictators)



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    Re: Who won the VP Debate?

    Quote Originally Posted by Loki97 View Post
    Give us a break. All the local polls here(which have a far bigger sampling than 381) shown Ryan got his ass handed to him. You fanatics would claim any debate your candidate showed up at was a victory. The fact you aren't claiming an overwhelming victory is a good indication you know you really lost.
    Regardless of who won the debate, I don't condone the behavior put on display by Joe Biden last night. He CLEARLY showed disdain and held a Holier than Thou attitude throughout the debate. As I said before, this is unbecoming of both a politician and a person.
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    Re: Who won the VP Debate?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Here's a happy looking person



    Here's another happy looking person



    There's a distinct difference between the two and the type of reaction someone would have towards that happiness.

    Same can be said for aggression. Aggression is not some on/off switch, it is not a binary thing where it's either 0 or 1, there's degree's and levels.

    There was nothing in the Romney / Obama debate that was anywhere close to Romney going "That's a bunch of stuff!". I'd challenge you to find even half as many instances of Romney simply laughing over what Obama was stating. I'd implore you, count the number of times Biden rolled his eyes or rolled his head back in condenscending mock frustration and then count the number of times Romney did similar. Even count the amount of times Romney talked over and interrupted Obama comparitive to the Biden one.

    Yes, Romney was aggressive in his debate style. However, to suggest it is similar in aggression to what Biden did is like saying that an air soft bullet is comparable to a .44 magnum in terms of their damaging power. Whether or not that's problematic on the point of Biden is a matter of opinion and will be something to see as polls come out. But to suggest that there is some inconsistency in people liking the way Romney was aggressive but disliking the way Biden was is patentedly ridiculous.
    Bull****. Biden and Romney's styles are certainly different to an extent because they are different people, but what's ridiculous is conservatives pretending that they wouldn't have applauded Ryan or Romney if they had the same style as Biden. Biden and Romney were aggressive within their personalities. Romney laughed at Obama as Obama laughed at him. Romney interrupted Obama and the moderator as Joe Biden interrupted Ryan and, to a lesser extent, the moderator. The similarities in their style were more numerous than their differences. All this, "Biden was rude" bull**** is just that. It's a joke. Republicans can be aggressive, they can scream at Obama and call him a liar, but the minute a Democrat does anything close, it's all about rudeness.

    Sorry, I'm not buying what you're selling. It's the same Republican bull**** that's finally getting old.

    You know what's disrespectful? Lying and insulting the intelligence of Americans by continually flip flopping and refusing to actually tell us what the hell you plan to do in office Romney and Ryan continue to do. What's "rude" and "disrespectful" is refusing to answer questions and continually deflecting as Ryan did. Why don't the Republicans stop bitching about Ryan and take some personal responsibility and hold Ryan accountable for his disrespectful dishonesty. Oh wait, personal responsibility only applies to the other guy and respect only applies to how you appear, not who you actually are.

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