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    Re: Who won the VP Debate?

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Too bad for you, he's not running for President. And let's face it, short of Romney winning and being an unqualified giant success, he likely never will be now.

    Being VP for 8 years worked out great for Al Gore, didn't it? Look back over time, and see how many people were VP for years and became immediately successful as a Presidential candidate. That's the genius of choices like Dick Cheney and Joe Biden -- they weren't and aren't going to run. Granted, Romney needed a little excitement on the ticket since there's nothing to get excited about there.

    Are you noticing the GOP's trend the last 2 elections? The VP Candidate is more electrifying than the top dog?
    Too bad for you. The idea was to come across as Presidential. However, Biden did win on the buffoon meter. And the guffaw chart. And on the smirk-o-matic.

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    Re: Who won the VP Debate?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    It's within the margin of error of 5% so in reality the poll basically says it was a draw
    So as a Draw.....do you think this gives the left the bounce they need, in order to stop the polls from tanking on Obama?

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    Re: Who won the VP Debate?

    Biden did not take the debate seriously. Ryan came out and gave details about what him and Romney want to do in office. Something people keep saying he wont do. He responded. Biden came out multiple times and said nothing more than trust me. Biden was disrespectful where Ryan listened. I think I saw something that said Biden interupted Ryan 81 times.

    One guy came out, explained what he wanted to do, gave details and was able to follow a simple debate structure. The other came out giggling, not taking it seriously, saying just trust me and being rude and obnoxious. Ryan won this. I prefer someone in office who takes the job seriously.
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    Re: Who won the VP Debate?

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    Too bad for you. The idea was to come across as Presidential. However, Biden did win on the buffoon meter. And the guffaw chart. And on the smirk-o-matic.
    Why is the idea to come across as Presidential? That's an office that neither of these fools are running for.


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    Re: Who won the VP Debate?

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Why is the idea to come across as Presidential? That's an office that neither of these fools are running for.
    What do you not understand about the job title ......

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    Re: Who won the VP Debate?

    Truthfully kinda hard for Biden to attack Romney and Ryan on Foreign policy since they have never had any. Course blaming the Intelligence they had in the beginning.....do you think Joe Helped Obama with that one?????

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    Re: Who won the VP Debate?

    Something that I have yet to see a comment on…Ryan seems to understand clearly the importance of staying hydrated…
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    Re: Who won the VP Debate?

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    So as a Draw.....do you think this gives the left the bounce they need, in order to stop the polls from tanking on Obama?
    I think that the polls are largely being driven by base enthusiasm at this point more so than undecided/moderates changing positions. As such, I think Biden being fiesty and aggressive will energize the Democratic base. I don't think, short of this being as big of an ass whipping as the Romney/Obama debate was (which it wasn't anywhere close to that), that this debate was going to be able to REVERSE the momentum. What I do think it will do, however, is stop or at least stem the tide of momentum going in Romney's direction setting up an oppertunity for Obama to actually cause the momentum to flip if he soundly wins the next debate.

    I say potentially stems, rather than stops, because Ryan did well enough that the Republican base will stay energized and continue to push the momentum that was already largley on their favor.

    That's why I ultimately implied above that while I would perhaps consider the debate a draw if viewed within a bubble, I would give it to Biden by a nose in tight race because I think the debates positive impact on his base will be more impactful than the positive impact it had on the Republican base.

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    Re: Who won the VP Debate?

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    So who do you think won the debate?
    I find this interesting. Last night, I thought Biden had won the debate, although it was close. Here's what I missed:

    I don't watch debates on network television. I find all their crap streaming by at the bottom of the screen a ridiculous distraction. What do I care what someone's tweeting? I don't. So. I watched the debate on PBS. PBS didn't broadcast split screen. This morning, I see some of the re-run commentary from the networks that did use split screen.

    Biden came off looking like an idiot. Rude. Condescending. Tom said he was probably trying to stay awake. Ha! Huckabee said this morning that he'd been coached to act the elder statesman humoring a youngster not ready for prime time.

    He came off like my senile grandfather.

    Now. There's not much Biden could have done to endear him to me. I'm voting for Romney hell or high water. However, for those undecided. For those with no such party loyalty, Biden looked the clown.
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    Re: Who won the VP Debate?

    I like Ryan, but I think a perfect example of what he did wrong was when he was asked the question of 'under you plan, who would taxes go up on, and who would taxes go down on'. Biden answered down on middle class, up on rich. All Ryan had to say was 'under our plan, taxes would go down on everyone.' Instead he launched into a complex answer with attacks on democrats.

    RADDATZ: Gentlemen, I would like to move on to a very simple question for both of you, and something tells me I won’t get a very simple answer, but let me ask you this.

    BIDEN: I gave you a simple answer. He’s raising the cost of Medicare.

    RADDATZ: OK, on to taxes. If your ticket is elected, who will pay more in taxes? Who will pay less? And we’re starting with Vice President Biden for two minutes.

    BIDEN: The middle class will pay less and people making $1 million or more will begin to contribute slightly more. Let me give you one concrete example. The continuation of the Bush tax cuts — we are arguing that the Bush tax cuts for the wealthy should be allowed to expire. Of the Bush tax cuts for the wealthy, $800 million — billion of that goes to people making a minimum of $1 million.

    We see no justification in these economic times for those, and they’re patriotic Americans. They’re not asking for this continued tax cut. They’re not suggesting it, but my friends are insisting on it; 120,000 families by continuing that tax cut will get an additional $500 billion in tax relief in the next 10 years and their income is an average of $8 million.

    We want to extend permanently the middle-class tax cut for — permanently, from the Bush middle-class tax cut. These guys won’t allow us to. You know what they’re saying? We say “let’s have a vote — let’s have a vote on the middle-class tax cut and let’s have a vote on the upper (ph) tax cut; let’s go ahead and vote on it.”

    They’re saying no. They’re holding hostage the middle class tax cut to the super wealthy. And on top of that, they’ve got another tax cut coming that’s $5 trillion that all of the studies point out will in fact give another $250 million — yeah, $250,000 a year to those 120,000 families and raise taxes for people who are middle income with a child by $2,000 a year.

    This is unconscionable. There is no need for this. The middle class got knocked on their heels. The great recession crushed them. They need some help now. The last people who need help are 120,000 families for another — another $500 billion tax cut over the next 10 years.

    RADDATZ: Congressman?

    RYAN: Our entire premise of these tax reform plans is to grow the economy and create jobs. It’s a plan that’s estimated to create 7 million jobs. Now, we think that government taking 28 percent of a family and business’s income is enough. President Obama thinks that the government ought to be able to take as much as 44.8 percent of a small business’s income.

    RYAN: Look, if you taxed every person and successful business making over $250,000 at 100 percent, it would only run the government for 98 days. If everybody who paid income taxes last year, including successful small businesses, doubled their income taxes this year, we’d still have a $300 billion deficit. You see? There aren’t enough rich people and small businesses to tax to pay for all their spending.

    And so the next time you hear them say, “Don’t worry about it, we’ll get a few wealthy people to pay their fair share,” watch out, middle class, the tax bill’s coming to you.

    That’s why we’re saying we need fundamental tax reform. Let’s take a look at it this way. Eight out of 10 businesses, they file their taxes as individuals, not as corporations. And where I come from, overseas, which is Lake Superior, the Canadians, they dropped their tax rates to 15 percent. The average tax rate on businesses in the industrialized world is 25 percent, and the president wants the top effective tax rate on successful small businesses to go above 40 percent.

    Two-thirds of our jobs come from small businesses. This one tax would actually tax about 53 percent of small-business income. It’s expected to cost us 710,000 jobs. And you know what? It doesn’t even pay for 10 percent of their proposed deficit spending increases.

    What we are saying is, lower tax rates across the board and close loopholes, primarily to the higher-income people. We have three bottom lines: Don’t raise the deficit, don’t raise taxes on the middle class, and don’t lower the share of income that is borne by the high-income earners.

    He’ll keep saying this $5 trillion plan, I suppose. It’s been discredited by six other studies. And even their own deputy campaign manager acknowledged that it wasn’t correct.
    FYI, 'crosstalk' shows up 54 times in the transcript.
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