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    Re: Who won the VP Debate?

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    Are (some) of you people serious? Romney comes out aggressive and everyone gives him the auto win. Biden comes out as aggressive and he's being a jerk and Ryan's "professional"? LOL, give me a break.
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    There's a distinct difference between the two and the type of reaction someone would have towards that happiness.

    Same can be said for aggression. Aggression is not some on/off switch, it is not a binary thing where it's either 0 or 1, there's degree's and levels.

    There was nothing in the Romney / Obama debate that was anywhere close to Romney going "That's a bunch of stuff!". I'd challenge you to find even half as many instances of Romney simply laughing over what Obama was stating. I'd implore you, count the number of times Biden rolled his eyes or rolled his head back in condenscending mock frustration and then count the number of times Romney did similar. Even count the amount of times Romney talked over and interrupted Obama comparitive to the Biden one.

    Yes, Romney was aggressive in his debate style. However, to suggest it is similar in aggression to what Biden did is like saying that an air soft bullet is comparable to a .44 magnum in terms of their damaging power. Whether or not that's problematic on the point of Biden is a matter of opinion and will be something to see as polls come out. But to suggest that there is some inconsistency in people liking the way Romney was aggressive but disliking the way Biden was is patentedly ridiculous.

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    Re: Who won the VP Debate?

    Biden might have come across more belivable_ if he had Not been so Intent On smirking, and interrupting Ryan,
    Biden is a strong debater and ruined his chance in proving that by his facial expressions, and rude behavior making him seem more condesending than If He had maintained a VP stance, I understand Biden was trying to Do What Obama Did Not, but it was too much over the top for a VP,Biden was Rude Not convincing in that Behavior

    Ryan seemed calm and tried to present factual numbers and reasons why R&R were a better choice for America,
    I think he was weaker in Not asking the moderator for time to finsh his points or In going back to the points Biden interrupted him on, However he made a good summary of what R&R stand for and what they will do for ALL Americans, in the time Alloted to both candidates,
    I don"t see how anyone, the moderator included kept their train of thought with All the interruptions, it was Hard to focus, just watching them on TV.

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    Re: Who won the VP Debate?

    The polls say Ryan won BARELY.... 48/44.

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    Re: Who won the VP Debate?

    I need to go bakc and rewatch it with my full attention being paid over the last half. That said, from what I saw...

    I'd say this is Biden by a nose in a situation where, were this a football game, you'd come away feeling good regardless of which team you rooted for.

    I think substance wise, Biden did a bit better as the only time he OBVIOUSLY side stepped a question was in the opening segment, and because he wasn't being pressed nearly as much for specifics. Both peoples primary focus was basically in going "This is why the other guy sucks" rather than "This is why you should elect us", but Ryan was called to be specific more and had issues with doing it well (in part because they're pla nis specifically NOT to be specific but to lay a framework and to give specifics at a point where its implimentable) and thus looked a bit worse.

    I don't think either came across well stylistically. Not surprisingly, Republican friends I have think Biden looked arrogant and condenscending and Ryan looked good. Democratic friends think Biden looked like a man schooling a child and Ryan looking like that child. The more telling ones though are my apolitical friends or relatively independent ones such....who basically thought Ryan came off smarmy the whole debate and Biden came off as a jackass.

    And this is genreally why I say this is a near draw and a situation where both sides come out of it better than before. This is a base election, and after the last debate the Democratic base was depressed and the Republican base energized. I don't believe this debate is going to hurt the republican base, and may even energize it a bit more due to the distaste for the way Biden acted. HOWEVER, I think Biden going on the offense as he did...especially after the Presidential debate and Obama's performance...is going to re-energize the base to a point. That energy however is going to simply be a humming build until the next Presidential debate; enough to perhaps stem the tide a bit, but they need to see Obama go on the offensive before they can attempt to turn the tide.

    So in that, both sides benefit. The Democrats benefit greater, but that's because they were farther behind at this moment in terms of the enthusiasm momentum. I think this gave red meat to both bases and that's important in this electoin.

    However, in terms of those undecideds and independents, I think this will have little significant impact. As I said, I think BOTH guys came off as somewhat unlikable to those who weren't walking into that debate with an inherent bias of having a distinct and definite political ideology or party they generally side with. I think ultimately it will be a wash with them.

    So with this being a bit more good for the Democrats than the Republicans, and Biden I think doing a bit better on message, I'd give this a slight win to Biden but in fight terms it's a 29-28 split decision.

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    Re: Who won the VP Debate?

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post

    Otherwise, thank you '15 second Joe'. Thank you for making Ryan appear all the more Presidential.
    Too bad for you, he's not running for President. And let's face it, short of Romney winning and being an unqualified giant success, he likely never will be now.

    Being VP for 8 years worked out great for Al Gore, didn't it? Look back over time, and see how many people were VP for years and became immediately successful as a Presidential candidate. That's the genius of choices like Dick Cheney and Joe Biden -- they weren't and aren't going to run. Granted, Romney needed a little excitement on the ticket since there's nothing to get excited about there.

    Are you noticing the GOP's trend the last 2 elections? The VP Candidate is more electrifying than the top dog?


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    Re: Who won the VP Debate?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    The polls say Ryan won BARELY.... 48/44.
    It's within the margin of error of 5% so in reality the poll basically says it was a draw

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    Re: Who won the VP Debate?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    It's within the margin of error of 5% so in reality the poll basically says it was a draw
    Don't deflate him. The election's a slam dunk now for Romney!


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    Re: Who won the VP Debate?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    I need to go bakc and rewatch it with my full attention being paid over the last half. That said, from what I saw...

    I'd say this is Biden by a nose in a situation where, were this a football game, you'd come away feeling good regardless of which team you rooted for.

    I think substance wise, Biden did a bit better as the only time he OBVIOUSLY side stepped a question was in the opening segment, and because he wasn't being pressed nearly as much for specifics. Both peoples primary focus was basically in going "This is why the other guy sucks" rather than "This is why you should elect us", but Ryan was called to be specific more and had issues with doing it well (in part because they're pla nis specifically NOT to be specific but to lay a framework and to give specifics at a point where its implimentable) and thus looked a bit worse.

    I don't think either came across well stylistically. Not surprisingly, Republican friends I have think Biden looked arrogant and condenscending and Ryan looked good. Democratic friends think Biden looked like a man schooling a child and Ryan looking like that child. The more telling ones though are my apolitical friends or relatively independent ones such....who basically thought Ryan came off smarmy the whole debate and Biden came off as a jackass.

    And this is genreally why I say this is a near draw and a situation where both sides come out of it better than before. This is a base election, and after the last debate the Democratic base was depressed and the Republican base energized. I don't believe this debate is going to hurt the republican base, and may even energize it a bit more due to the distaste for the way Biden acted. HOWEVER, I think Biden going on the offense as he did...especially after the Presidential debate and Obama's performance...is going to re-energize the base to a point. That energy however is going to simply be a humming build until the next Presidential debate; enough to perhaps stem the tide a bit, but they need to see Obama go on the offensive before they can attempt to turn the tide.

    So in that, both sides benefit. The Democrats benefit greater, but that's because they were farther behind at this moment in terms of the enthusiasm momentum. I think this gave red meat to both bases and that's important in this electoin.

    However, in terms of those undecideds and independents, I think this will have little significant impact. As I said, I think BOTH guys came off as somewhat unlikable to those who weren't walking into that debate with an inherent bias of having a distinct and definite political ideology or party they generally side with. I think ultimately it will be a wash with them.

    So with this being a bit more good for the Democrats than the Republicans, and Biden I think doing a bit better on message, I'd give this a slight win to Biden but in fight terms it's a 29-28 split decision.
    I agree with most of your post except I don't think Ryan was unlikable, just a little weak. Perhaps, as some analyzers have stated, that is because he is just not used to this kind of limelight being on him, but I would use the word weak to describe his performance in the debate. IMO, Biden was overly aggressive but Ryan was just not aggressive enough.

    I also thought that the moderators in the presidential and vice presidential debates were weak and did not do a very good job at moderating at all IMO.

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    Re: Who won the VP Debate?

    It appears Biden won...he was having too much of a good time...



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    Re: Who won the VP Debate?

    I dont think anyone won. Biden was a jerk, and Ryan was not clear and concise. We the viewers lost, because the moderator didnt do her job.

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