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    Re: Would you shoot your fellow Americans?

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    No one said it was. However, if the command gives the order to shoot on sight anyone out after curfew, it is indeed a legal order (under Martial Law).
    After looking into this I have not faound anything about "shoot on sight" orders. Only indefinte detention in order 1021. Show some links with some evidence.
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    Re: Would you shoot your fellow Americans?

    To answer the question from the OP, yes, I would. Of course it would depend upon the actual circumstances if I would follow such an order or not. If I caught someone trying to burn a food truck that was going to folks who were in desparate need, I'd probably shoot to wound, but wouldn't care that much if I was off a bit. However, if I was ordered to shoot anyone out after curfew, I'd probably let most folks get on their way home and risk being shot myself for doing it.

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    Re: Would you shoot your fellow Americans?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    After looking into this I have not faound anything about "shoot on sight" orders. Only indefinte detention in order 1021. Show some links with some evidence.
    We weren't talking about whether this has happened, but if it would be a legal order when under federal martial law.

    But hey, what do you know, found one:

    Martial law and San Francisco were no strangers - following the earthquake of 1906, the troops stationed in the Presidio were pressed into martial law service. Guards were posted throughout the city, and all dynamite was confiscated. The dynamite was used to destroy buildings in the path of fires, to prevent the fires from spreading. Troops were ordered to shoot looters.

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    Re: Would you shoot your fellow Americans?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    This thread topic stems from the conversations gathered in the thread at the bottom of this post.

    Basically it's about civillians taking up arms against the government should the government start becoming tyrannical.

    Somewhere along the way in that thread, it was mentiond that the U.S. military could squash any sort of rebellion. Mow them down.

    So I gots a question. If God forbid you're a soldier and you're ever ordered by your leaders to shoot fellow Americans, would you?

    Likewise, if you were a soldier, or even if you're a civillians, if you were given that sort of order as a soldier, what would you do?

    I'm asking this question 'cause I want to have some sense of security, knowing that our American soldiers won't be turned against us.

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    I would follow Gunnery Protocol.
    • If they're shooting at me, yeah.
    • If they're a threat to a government asset such as an installation, or are rioting, then yeah.
    • If they're a threat to a government official or head of state, yeah.

    The question is not "would I shoot", the question is "is the order lawful". In the above 3 example, an order to fire would be lawful and would snap-to and execute it.

    On second thought, in those examples, I probably would not need an order, I would probably fire without being prompted due to General Order #1.
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    Re: Would you shoot your fellow Americans?

    nah, I wouldn't should civilians...even if ordered to.

    soldiers, government functionaries, bureaucrats, and politicians are fair game during a revolution, though.

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    Re: Would you shoot your fellow Americans?

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    We weren't talking about whether this has happened, but if it would be a legal order when under federal martial law.

    But hey, what do you know, found one:
    I saw that one too... it doesn't talk about shoot on sight though... it talks about shooting people breaking the law.
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    Re: Would you shoot your fellow Americans?

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Your original assertion was incorrect, why go to these lengths to dodge that?
    My original assertion is that Martial Law does not fundamentally effect the rules of engagement.

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    Re: Would you shoot your fellow Americans?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    My original assertion is that Martial Law does not fundamentally effect the rules of engagement.
    No, your original assertion was:

    Marial law does not render firing on a civilian a legal order. If someone is trying to shoot me, no one needs to tell me to engage.

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    Re: Would you shoot your fellow Americans?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    My original assertion is that Martial Law does not fundamentally effect the rules of engagement.
    There are no rules of engagement regarding civilians. You have to be an enemy combatant or enemy solder for the rules of engagement to apply.

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    Re: Would you shoot your fellow Americans?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    Understandable. I'm meaning if there was ever a revolution/rebellion against an increasingly tyrannical government. If it were something like American terrorists attacking government buildings/whatever, it'd make sense for troops to combat them.
    still depends on whos opinion its based on?

    do I agree the government has gone crazy and is tyrannical then yes I very well may protect myself and take arms against the problem.

    do i think the government is fine and the people trying to take it over are crazy? then yes i will protect me and my family and may take arms against the problem
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