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    Re: Would you shoot your fellow Americans?

    citizens of America have free speech and can vote, so a revolution or civil war is unnecessary.

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    Re: Would you shoot your fellow Americans?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Not really. I'd question it to higher. It sounds ridiculous. The Lt. can hold the post until I get back with chain of command's answer. A good friend from another company was sent to Hurricane Andrew security. They were not told anything of the sort.
    What you say has nothing to do with the legality of the order. All you did was to confirm the order. The order to shoot to kill is perfectly legal under martial law. Doesn't make it right, or even the goto move for command. But legal, yes.

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    Re: Would you shoot your fellow Americans?

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    What you say has nothing to do with the legality of the order. All you did was to confirm the order. The order to shoot to kill is perfectly legal under martial law. Doesn't make it right, or even the goto move for command. But legal, yes.
    Depends on the threat. An order to shoot must consider context and be legal therein. The unnecessary use of lethal force is not legal.

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    Re: Would you shoot your fellow Americans?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Depends on the threat. An order to shoot must consider context and be legal therein. The unnecessary use of lethal force is not legal.
    Let's see, your original contention was that it was not a legal order under martial law (to shoot civilians). Just admit you got it wrong initially.

    Again, for the US military to be involved, and not violate PC, federal martial law must be declared (in disasters we bend that rule). Typically though, when there's a state disaster, the state's executive declares martial law and the STATE national guard - operating in their capacity as state militia are the army on the ground. The thread topic supposed the US military.

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    Re: Would you shoot your fellow Americans?

    Martial law or normal law doesn't matter. The unnecessary use of lethal force is not a legal order. Shooting on sight after curfew would be unnecessary use of lethal force, given the slightest resources and an objective.

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    Re: Would you shoot your fellow Americans?

    Only if they were zombies.
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    Re: Would you shoot your fellow Americans?

    If any buttwipes tried to use violence take over the elected government of the American people, they deserve what they get. And if that means being shot down like rabid gods in the streets - so be it.
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    Re: Would you shoot your fellow Americans?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Martial law or normal law doesn't matter. The unnecessary use of lethal force is not a legal order. Shooting on sight after curfew would be unnecessary use of lethal force, given the slightest resources and an objective.
    You're wiggling around your original assertion again. Martial law does indeed matter, the issue was surrounding US MILITARY shooting civilians in a domestic setting. Under civilian law the US military may not operate (see Posse Comitatus).

    The Posse Comitatus Act is the United States federal law (18 U.S.C. 1385, original at 20 Stat. 152) that was passed on June 18, 1878, after the end of Reconstruction. Its intent (in concert with the Insurrection Act of 1807) was to limit the powers of local governments and law enforcement agencies in using federal military personnel to enforce the laws of the land.
    As you see that only affects the Army and the AF. The Marines and Navy are bound to it by DOD directive.

    You're just spitballing about the neccessity of the shoot if out after curfew order. Your original assertion was incorrect, why go to these lengths to dodge that?

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    Re: Would you shoot your fellow Americans?

    I've met many people that need shooting. If I thought I could get away with it, our population would be about that of the early colonies.



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    Re: Would you shoot your fellow Americans?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    If any buttwipes tried to use violence take over the elected government of the American people, they deserve what they get. And if that means being shot down like rabid gods in the streets - so be it.
    Even if the government becomes a genocidal dictatorship? Perhaps you supported dictatorships throughout history?

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