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    Re: Would you shoot your fellow Americans?

    No, not unless I was being fired upon.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    This thread topic stems from the conversations gathered in the thread at the bottom of this post.

    Basically it's about civillians taking up arms against the government should the government start becoming tyrannical.

    Somewhere along the way in that thread, it was mentiond that the U.S. military could squash any sort of rebellion. Mow them down.

    So I gots a question. If God forbid you're a soldier and you're ever ordered by your leaders to shoot fellow Americans, would you?

    Likewise, if you were a soldier, or even if you're a civillians, if you were given that sort of order as a soldier, what would you do?

    I'm asking this question 'cause I want to have some sense of security, knowing that our American soldiers won't be turned against us.

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/gun-co...post1061002943

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    Re: Would you shoot your fellow Americans?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Marial law does not render firing on a civilian a legal order. If someone is trying to shoot me, no one needs to tell me to engage.
    Yes, it does indeed, that's exactly what it means. Never heard of the Civil War?

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    Re: Would you shoot your fellow Americans?

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Yes, it does indeed, that's exactly what it means. Never heard of the Civil War?
    Martial law does not mean all civilians are fair game to be shot. No, I never heard of the Civil War.

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    Re: Would you shoot your fellow Americans?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    This thread topic stems from the conversations gathered in the thread at the bottom of this post.

    Basically it's about civillians taking up arms against the government should the government start becoming tyrannical.

    Somewhere along the way in that thread, it was mentiond that the U.S. military could squash any sort of rebellion. Mow them down.

    So I gots a question. If God forbid you're a soldier and you're ever ordered by your leaders to shoot fellow Americans, would you?

    Likewise, if you were a soldier, or even if you're a civillians, if you were given that sort of order as a soldier, what would you do?

    I'm asking this question 'cause I want to have some sense of security, knowing that our American soldiers won't be turned against us.

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/gun-co...post1061002943
    First of all, this is not without precedent. Look up Kent State, assuming you think the National Guard is the same as an American soldier, which, of course, it is. And it's not as far-fetched as people might think. In the case of massive riots, I could well picture the National Guard being called in -- even the Army being called in -- if civil unrest got really, really bad.

    I would hope that American soldiers would obey orders to quell violence in a big city, as an example. Or, a massive organized assault on the White House, as another. If they had to shoot their guns to quell it? So be it.

    To think that American soldiers would never fire on American citizens is kind of silly. If the need arises, they would and should.

    The rather scarey thing about it is that I'm not entirely confident that our soldiers would be told the truth.
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    Re: Would you shoot your fellow Americans?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chickenhawks View Post
    Why would there be a revolution? Providing Health care for poor people, would that be a good reason for you to start shooting fellow americans?

    Are you so against this rightwing idea, Obamacare, that you would go to war to prevent it?

    You do know it was created by the most rightwing think tank in America, dont you?
    That is untrue. The Heritage Foundation put together an 11-page idea for nationalized healthcare. Big freakin' deal. It morphed into a 2,700-page creation of a Democratic president.

    The Heritage Foundation's paper did not include an individual mandate, nor an employer mandate, an expansion of Medicaid, Medicare cuts, an Independent Payment Advisory Board.

    Pulllleeeze. You show you have talking points. Read the facts behind those and you'll learn something.

    http://blog.heritage.org/2012/03/01/...nst-obamacare/
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    Re: Would you shoot your fellow Americans?

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    First of all, this is not without precedent. Look up Kent State, assuming you think the National Guard is the same as an American soldier, which, of course, it is. And it's not as far-fetched as people might think. In the case of massive riots, I could well picture the National Guard being called in -- even the Army being called in -- if civil unrest got really, really bad.

    I would hope that American soldiers would obey orders to quell violence in a big city, as an example. Or, a massive organized assault on the White House, as another. If they had to shoot their guns to quell it? So be it.

    To think that American soldiers would never fire on American citizens is kind of silly. If the need arises, they would and should.

    The rather scarey thing about it is that I'm not entirely confident that our soldiers would be told the truth.
    What about fighting against an increasingly tyrannical government, God forbid? If it were alright to shoot them, then those thinking it would be alright would be the enemies of American patriotism.

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    Re: Would you shoot your fellow Americans?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    What about fighting against an increasingly tyrannical government, God forbid? If it were alright to shoot them, then those thinking it would be alright would be the enemies of American patriotism.
    If the military ever turned against the American people, there would have to be such a vast conspiracy as we could never imagine it. And we would see red flag after red flag after red flag. Their oath is to defend the Constitution of the United States. I can't imagine how the military could manipulate men not to do that and to actually subvert it.

    There were rumors when Nixon was in office that he didn't intend to leave the White House -- that he was going to use the military to keep himself there. There were other rumors that the top brass in the military had secret meetings to develop a contingency plan in case that happened. (But that discussion belongs in the conspiracy forum. Ha!)
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    Re: Would you shoot your fellow Americans?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Martial law does not mean all civilians are fair game to be shot. No, I never heard of the Civil War.
    No one said it was. However, if the command gives the order to shoot on sight anyone out after curfew, it is indeed a legal order (under Martial Law).

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    Re: Would you shoot your fellow Americans?

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    No one said it was. However, if the command gives the order to shoot on sight anyone out after curfew, it is indeed a legal order (under Martial Law).
    Not really. I'd question it to higher. It sounds ridiculous. The Lt. can hold the post until I get back with chain of command's answer. A good friend from another company was sent to Hurricane Andrew security. They were not told anything of the sort.

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    Re: Would you shoot your fellow Americans?

    If the government is in the wrong, the people should be able to revolt. That, iirc, was one of the reasons for the 2nd Ammendment. Assuming I were a soldier in that sort of situation, I wouldn't shoot against Americans who were trying to escape out from under the yoke of tyranny. (IF it ever happened)

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