Would you shoot your fellow Americans?

SMTA said:

Lord have mercy, I like the way that you think!

If something like this ever happens, the troops will shoot citizens.
Happens too frequently with friendlies and US troops in history.

Also, sadly, 85% of our population will do exactly what they are told to do without asking questions.

Only 10% will think about trying attempting to think on their own, but only if they don't get into trouble.

The remaining 5% of us will recognize that we are the masters of our own destiny, and depend upon nobody else for help, as they probably could not be trusted anyway.

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Well, I was thinking in more personal terms, but it is a general thing too.

Trust is a funny thing; some people think it is all or nothing, but they're wrong. Some people can be trusted with your wife, but not your money; some can be trusted with your car, but not your kid.

Most people can be trusted to a point (and figuring out where that point is, is an art form!)... but almost nobody can be trusted to an absolute.

If there is anyone you can trust to an absolute, her name is probably Mom... and even Mom may have her own agenda.

The most honest man in the world still has his breaking point; if nothing else, it is probable that protecting his wife or children from harm will cause him to betray you if he sees no other way out. You can't really blame him either; it is human nature to value our own blood and spouse more than we do the guy down the road and his family. We might really really hate having to make that choice, but if we have to make it, we're probably going to choose to protect our own.

Most people will consistently choose their self interest, or the interests of their own immediate family, over those of most people outside their family.

It is natural. I would shoot a stranger for threatening the life of my friend; I would shoot my friend for threatening the life of my sister; I would shoot my own sister for threatening the life of my son, or my own.

My child is the only person I can scarcely conceive of killing for any reason. I would sooner kill myself.

Of course, none of these scenarios is all that likely... but it is a question of whom you place the most value on, when the chips are down and the stakes are life and death. It has nothing to do with hate... I have no need to hate someone to pull the trigger, but only the necessity that they must die so that someone I care about more may live.

Personally I do not wish to kill anyone and will be most pleased if I live out my life in peace, and never have to shed blood again.

TD-
silly never been, I suspect you wouldn't show up for a gunfight with me. Threats from those who can't shoot one mugger dead don't impress me much. It won't be like some dipstic comp, real gunfights are a whole 'nother cat, but please continue to talk crap...

Wake said:

If I were a soldier I wouldn't kill fellow Americans if they were fighting against an increasingly tyrannical government. I'd join them if those leaders think they'd pit me against our own.

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Not quite sure I have correctly interpreted your comment, but I think you're saying you would join a militia to fight against the government? That makes me uncomfortable. How could we have a tyrannical government that's violently suppressing our freedom? Wouldn't people just vote out the crazy tyrannical leaders before that happened? Plus, they only get 8 years, even Hitler couldn't do that kind of damage in under a decade.

The act of projecting a future in which you are fighting in a revolution on one side or the other is, in itself, scary. I don't understand why so many people insist on putting their finger on the trigger "just in case." I don't care to insert myself into a hypothetical martial law situation which pits militias against a vicious faction of American lemming soldiers. There are a million situations that could hypothetically happen and since I don't have time for all of them, it makes no sense to have time to fantasize about any particular one.

Mustachio said:

Not quite sure I have correctly interpreted your comment, but I think you're saying you would join a militia to fight against the government? That makes me uncomfortable. How could we have a tyrannical government that's violently suppressing our freedom? Wouldn't people just vote out the crazy tyrannical leaders before that happened? Plus, they only get 8 years, even Hitler couldn't do that kind of damage in under a decade.

The act of projecting a future in which you are fighting in a revolution on one side or the other is, in itself, scary. I don't understand why so many people insist on putting their finger on the trigger "just in case." I don't care to insert myself into a hypothetical martial law situation which pits militias against a vicious faction of American lemming soldiers. There are a million situations that could hypothetically happen and since I don't have time for all of them, it makes no sense to have time to fantasize about any particular one.

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Granted, it is rather improbable... but not impossible. I'm sure many citizens of Germany in 1929 would have found the idea that in a scant decade their nation would be ruled by a genocidal dicatator to be ridiculous.

Goshin said:

Granted, it is rather improbable... but not impossible. I'm sure many citizens of Germany in 1929 would have found the idea that in a scant decade their nation would be ruled by a genocidal dicatator to be ridiculous.

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Germany was among the most advanced nations at the time. and yes, many people who went up the chimneys of the death camps couldn't believe a country that was a leader in science and art could de-evolve to such a monstrosity

notquiteright said:

Jerry-
Interesting, first you spin the Kent State shootings then claim you never would obey an order to shoot students 'threatening violence'- fair enough I guess but neither you or Sutr speak for every swinging Richard or bouncing Renee's in the military.

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Nor do I claim to be. I'd shoot another American if they did something that warranted such action. Tell me to do it for no reason other than some asshole full bird said so from the safety of his lush executive office, they're going to have to pay me a lot more, and they won't like my price.

TurtleDude said:

Germany was among the most advanced nations at the time. and yes, many people who went up the chimneys of the death camps couldn't believe a country that was a leader in science and art could de-evolve to such a monstrosity

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The German people's self image was also at an all time low, after being hammered into submission after WW1.
The people were in desperate need of feeling better about themselves, and their country.
Sadly, Hitler's timing was perfect.

SMTA said:

The German people's self image was also at an all time low, after being hammered into submission after WW1.
The people were in desperate need of feeling better about themselves, and their country.
Sadly, Hitler's timing was perfect.

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very true, the treaty of Versailles sort of came back to the "frogs" in spades. a classic case of Karma being a bitch

Will the Libs be wearing Blue arm bands?

GmH said:

Will the Libs be wearing Blue arm bands?

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LOL-blue state-blue armbands. Do those show up well in a Night vision sniper scope?

TurtleDude said:

LOL-blue state-blue armbands. Do those show up well in a Night vision sniper scope?

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What could you be suggesting? How Nazi, to kill off the socialists.

From reading the thread, many have not heard of the "3" boxes that secure Liberty;

Frederick Douglass - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Douglass continued his speaking engagements. On the lecture circuit, he spoke at many colleges around the country during the Reconstruction era, including Bates College in Lewiston, Maine in 1873. He continued to emphasize the importance of voting rights and exercise of suffrage. In a speech delivered on November 15, 1867, Douglass said "A man's rights rest in three boxes. The ballot box, jury box and the cartridge box. Let no man be kept from the ballot box because of his color. Let no woman be kept from the ballot box because of her sex".[42][43]

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I keep reading posts where people seem to think that the level of government corruption could never get to that point. I tend to disagree.
Athens, Tennessee is a prime example of the outcome when an informed populous is put in a position to retaliate against a corrupt government.
Many would say that this is local, and would never happen on a federal level. Many of us would argue otherwise, now that the NDAA sets
a precedent, and that our government already views Conservative-minded citizens as terrorists;

TSLA::“Disasters in Tennessee"

McMinn County War, Athens, Tennessee, August 1946
The McMinn County War, also called the Battle of Athens, was the name given to an outbreak of violence as returning GIs from World War II clashed with entrenched political interests in order to deliver the county from a corrupt system. Incumbent political-machine politician Paul Cantrell ran for sheriff again in 1946 after spending four years in the Tennessee State Senate. His crony, Pat Mansfield, had been sheriff in his absence and had cooperated with Cantrell in corrupting the local government. Among other things, they had implemented a system of fees that paid local officials for the number of people they arrested.

Returning WWII soldiers, numbering near 3,000 in 1946 (about 10% of the area's population), were fed up with the current method of justice. Ex-GI Knox Henry ran against Cantrell, and other GIs ran for several other positions in the local government.

On Election Day, August 1, 1946, two hundred armed deputies loyal to Cantrell watched the polls, physically beating GIs and a black man attempting to vote. A crowd gathered as deputies moved the ballot box to the local jail. The angry GIs took weapons from the local armory and fired upon the jail for half an hour until ammunition ran low. The deputies in the jail surrendered at about 2 a.m. when the GIs began to lob dynamite, destroying the jail�s porch. In the precincts free of voter fraud, the GI candidates, including Knox Henry, won the election by nearly 60%.

By morning all violence had stopped. On that very day a governing council was set up and six men were chosen to police the county in the absence of the regular police, who had fled. After the certification of their victory, local GIs changed the method of payment of officials by limiting their salaries to $5,000, replaced county employees who resigned, and scoured out corruption in the government . . . and, yes, they also repaired the jail.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missouri_Information_Analysis_Center

The MIAC was relatively unknown until March 13, 2009, when a leaked report entitled "The Modern Militia Movement," originating from MIAC, appeared on Wikileaks. Subsequent investigation was spearheaded by the Liberty Restoration Project out of Kansas City, Missouri. The report detailed trends in militia and terrorist activity in Missouri and described common symbols and media associated with militia members and domestic terrorists, in order to help police identify them. The report as leaked included suggestions that political bumper stickers such as those for U.S. Rep. Ron Paul could be used to identify militia members and terrorists.[2] The authenticity of the report was confirmed by Lt. John Hotz, the Assistant Director of the Public Information and Education Division of the Missouri State Highway Patrol, who claims that the report is derived purely from publicly available trend data on militias.[1]

As of MARCH 27, 2009 the entire report was scrapped and letters of apology were sent to Ron Paul, Bob Barr and Chuck Baldwin.[3] Legislation was passed in Missouri which included an amendment to cut funding to the MIAC should it again engage in political profiling, and the director of the MIAC was reassigned.

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Goshin said:

Granted, it is rather improbable... but not impossible. I'm sure many citizens of Germany in 1929 would have found the idea that in a scant decade their nation would be ruled by a genocidal dicatator to be ridiculous.

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I definitely agree, and to add to your very valid point, it's been shown time and time again that a large majority will follow the directions of an authority figure, even when those directions cause harm to an innocent person (e.g. the Milgram experiment). And I don't want to sound like I'm saying that the Titanic is unsinkable.

On the other hand, a key difference between Hitler's Germany and our America is that we have the benefit of free information. While China has certainly shown that information can be suppressed, we're so far from that kind of censorship. We're lucky to have the internet, and we're lucky to have individuals and organizations who are constantly fighting to uphold the first amendment. One of many reasons that the United States is the best country in the world.

Manc Skipper said:

What could you be suggesting? How Nazi, to kill off the socialists.

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many socialists and nazis are minor variations of the same disease

Manc Skipper said:

What could you be suggesting? How Nazi, to kill off the socialists.

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Sadly it is a delusional wetdream fantasy which runs pervertedly and dangerously through far too many posts.

At least they announce their intention of criminality to the world so we can recognize them for the demons they are.

haymarket said:

Sadly it is a delusional wetdream fantasy which runs pervertedly and dangerously through far too many posts.

At least they announce their intention of criminality to the world so we can recognize them for the demons they are.

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the real delusion is thinking one brand of collectivist nonsense is really different than another brand of collectivist nonsense

SMTA said:

The German people's self image was also at an all time low, after being hammered into submission after WW1.
The people were in desperate need of feeling better about themselves, and their country.
Sadly, Hitler's timing was perfect.

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Exactly right my friend