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    Re: Would you shoot your fellow Americans?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    My politics is sarcasm... that's it.

    I have had a gun pulled on me twice and shot at once and recieved two death threats from gang members. I still make jokes.

    That is just who I am. *shrugs*
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    Re: Would you shoot your fellow Americans?

    I've never been in the military and do not own a gun, but if I did and someone was going to attack me or my family, I would definitely shoot them. Right now, all I have is knives, and I would use those too. I want to get a gun someday though. I used to target shoot with my father when I was young, and it was fun.

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    Re: Would you shoot your fellow Americans?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    This thread topic stems from the conversations gathered in the thread at the bottom of this post.

    Basically it's about civillians taking up arms against the government should the government start becoming tyrannical.

    Somewhere along the way in that thread, it was mentiond that the U.S. military could squash any sort of rebellion. Mow them down.

    So I gots a question. If God forbid you're a soldier and you're ever ordered by your leaders to shoot fellow Americans, would you?

    Likewise, if you were a soldier, or even if you're a civillians, if you were given that sort of order as a soldier, what would you do?

    I'm asking this question 'cause I want to have some sense of security, knowing that our American soldiers won't be turned against us.

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    I don't know. It would depend. I have a pretty strong moral stance on killing and even though I don't think most soldiers are morally wrong for their actions, I don't know if I would be able to justify it. I really can't imagine myself ever being a soldier.

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    Re: Would you shoot your fellow Americans?

    Jerry-
    Interesting, first you spin the Kent State shootings then claim you never would obey an order to shoot students 'threatening violence'- fair enough I guess but neither you or Sutr speak for every swinging Richard or bouncing Renee's in the military.

    Fact is the military has shot UN-armed civilians and confiscated personally owned weapons, both cases I cited were done by the National Guard.

    TD- while you are drifting off topic to bring shooting a mugger into this, I would have thought someone so expert in pistol comps would be trained enough to shoot a mugger said mugger would be DRT. I suppose this shows that even 'well trained' civilians can choke when you have to look another human being in the face and end his life. Bit more of a stress monkey climbing your back when you are no longer on a one-way range...

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    Re: Would you shoot your fellow Americans?

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    Jerry-
    Interesting, first you spin the Kent State shootings then claim you never would obey an order to shoot students 'threatening violence'- fair enough I guess but neither you or Sutr speak for every swinging Richard or bouncing Renee's in the military.

    Fact is the military has shot UN-armed civilians and confiscated personally owned weapons, both cases I cited were done by the National Guard.

    TD- while you are drifting off topic to bring shooting a mugger into this, I would have thought someone so expert in pistol comps would be trained enough to shoot a mugger said mugger would be DRT. I suppose this shows that even 'well trained' civilians can choke when you have to look another human being in the face and end his life. Bit more of a stress monkey climbing your back when you are no longer on a one-way range...
    I have no idea what you are babbling about. I suspect you wouldn't want to be in a gun fight with me. I see your posts and I see stuff that I laugh about. I see lots of talk and even more BS.

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    Re: Would you shoot your fellow Americans?

    Quote Originally Posted by SMTA View Post
    Lord have mercy, I like the way that you think!

    If something like this ever happens, the troops will shoot citizens.
    Happens too frequently with friendlies and US troops in history.

    Also, sadly, 85% of our population will do exactly what they are told to do without asking questions.

    Only 10% will think about trying attempting to think on their own, but only if they don't get into trouble.

    The remaining 5% of us will recognize that we are the masters of our own destiny, and depend upon nobody else for help, as they probably could not be trusted anyway.


    Well, I was thinking in more personal terms, but it is a general thing too.

    Trust is a funny thing; some people think it is all or nothing, but they're wrong. Some people can be trusted with your wife, but not your money; some can be trusted with your car, but not your kid.

    Most people can be trusted to a point (and figuring out where that point is, is an art form!)... but almost nobody can be trusted to an absolute.

    If there is anyone you can trust to an absolute, her name is probably Mom... and even Mom may have her own agenda.

    The most honest man in the world still has his breaking point; if nothing else, it is probable that protecting his wife or children from harm will cause him to betray you if he sees no other way out. You can't really blame him either; it is human nature to value our own blood and spouse more than we do the guy down the road and his family. We might really really hate having to make that choice, but if we have to make it, we're probably going to choose to protect our own.

    Most people will consistently choose their self interest, or the interests of their own immediate family, over those of most people outside their family.

    It is natural. I would shoot a stranger for threatening the life of my friend; I would shoot my friend for threatening the life of my sister; I would shoot my own sister for threatening the life of my son, or my own.

    My child is the only person I can scarcely conceive of killing for any reason. I would sooner kill myself.

    Of course, none of these scenarios is all that likely... but it is a question of whom you place the most value on, when the chips are down and the stakes are life and death. It has nothing to do with hate... I have no need to hate someone to pull the trigger, but only the necessity that they must die so that someone I care about more may live.

    Personally I do not wish to kill anyone and will be most pleased if I live out my life in peace, and never have to shed blood again.

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    Re: Would you shoot your fellow Americans?

    TD-
    silly never been, I suspect you wouldn't show up for a gunfight with me. Threats from those who can't shoot one mugger dead don't impress me much. It won't be like some dipstic comp, real gunfights are a whole 'nother cat, but please continue to talk crap...

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    Re: Would you shoot your fellow Americans?

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    Would you shoot your fellow Americans? Turtle, notquite, you're both treading entirely too close to personal threats. Cease and desist at once, gentlemen.

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    Re: Would you shoot your fellow Americans?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    If I were a soldier I wouldn't kill fellow Americans if they were fighting against an increasingly tyrannical government. I'd join them if those leaders think they'd pit me against our own.
    Not quite sure I have correctly interpreted your comment, but I think you're saying you would join a militia to fight against the government? That makes me uncomfortable. How could we have a tyrannical government that's violently suppressing our freedom? Wouldn't people just vote out the crazy tyrannical leaders before that happened? Plus, they only get 8 years, even Hitler couldn't do that kind of damage in under a decade.

    The act of projecting a future in which you are fighting in a revolution on one side or the other is, in itself, scary. I don't understand why so many people insist on putting their finger on the trigger "just in case." I don't care to insert myself into a hypothetical martial law situation which pits militias against a vicious faction of American lemming soldiers. There are a million situations that could hypothetically happen and since I don't have time for all of them, it makes no sense to have time to fantasize about any particular one.
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    Re: Would you shoot your fellow Americans?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mustachio View Post
    Not quite sure I have correctly interpreted your comment, but I think you're saying you would join a militia to fight against the government? That makes me uncomfortable. How could we have a tyrannical government that's violently suppressing our freedom? Wouldn't people just vote out the crazy tyrannical leaders before that happened? Plus, they only get 8 years, even Hitler couldn't do that kind of damage in under a decade.

    The act of projecting a future in which you are fighting in a revolution on one side or the other is, in itself, scary. I don't understand why so many people insist on putting their finger on the trigger "just in case." I don't care to insert myself into a hypothetical martial law situation which pits militias against a vicious faction of American lemming soldiers. There are a million situations that could hypothetically happen and since I don't have time for all of them, it makes no sense to have time to fantasize about any particular one.

    Granted, it is rather improbable... but not impossible. I'm sure many citizens of Germany in 1929 would have found the idea that in a scant decade their nation would be ruled by a genocidal dicatator to be ridiculous.

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