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    Re: Would you shoot your fellow Americans?

    Given the proper circumstances, there's exactly one person I would not shoot.

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    Re: Would you shoot your fellow Americans?

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    what a horrible topic...
    It's not a horrible topic. It's an issue that should be discussed, so that we get more of an understanding of what people might do should any kind of situation like this happen.

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    Re: Would you shoot your fellow Americans?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    What about fighting against an increasingly tyrannical government, God forbid? If it were alright to shoot them, then those thinking it would be alright would be the enemies of American patriotism.
    People need to understand a few things here. If there were a mass armed insurrection in the U.S. it would be a serious situation and something we've never seen, not even the civil war in this modern day would be as charged. Some officers are political and would have no problem giving the order to fire on civilian populaces, many subordinates however would obey or defect(in theory).

    Any civilians who took part in the insurrection would have to understand they are doing so at the risks of both life and what freedom is left, their property also could be forfeit so it is a commitment requiring full sacrifice, this is why insurrection isn't likely anytime soon in our current climate and would depend on the perception that all other options have been stripped. Military support of the government is a 50/50, as MaggieD pointed out, it would all depend on what information they were given which could be anything from the full story to something pro government.

    Finally, this would be a bloody thing, which is why no one really wants it to happen. However Jefferson himself warned about the nature of the fight between liberty and tyranny and just how quickly tyranny can happen.
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    Re: Would you shoot your fellow Americans?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Firing on civs is not a lawful order.
    What this boils down to is that soldiers swear an oath to the constitution and not so much the president or the chain of command. Unlawful orders are prosecuted. Suspending the values of the constitution suspends the oath and invalidates the president's authority. Now, I don't think people should bust a move with Orly Taitz; however, being told to fire on civilians is in violation of a soldier's oath and I hope that I'd turn my weapon on the issuer of the order and take them into custody.

    Americans shoot Americans all the time, has anyone seen the gun stats for the US? The OP question, or what it was warped into, is not so much about law but insane-levels of nationalism. The questions:

    1) "If an American terrorist was shooting people, would you shoot him, or not - because he's American".
    That's a stupid question.

    2) "If you were a soldier and an American was shooting at you, would you return fire".
    Stupid question.

    3) "If you were a soldier and told to fire on harmless civilians (who are Americans), would you?"
    Loaded:
    A) It presumes such is within the scope of a soldier's oath.
    B) It presumes that a murderer might refuse to kill a fellow American. And that's a stupid question.

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    Re: Would you shoot your fellow Americans?

    What's also interesting is that judging by the current poll results neither political side really seems to have a monpoloy on any choice. Both left and right-leaning members have opted that they wouldn't shoot their fellow Americans.

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    Re: Would you shoot your fellow Americans?

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    what a horrible topic...
    I agree, but it's a minute possibility. As long as there is any chance of it the topic is important, though uncomfortable.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: Would you shoot your fellow Americans?

    Quote Originally Posted by Surtr View Post
    Why would we do that? Such a task is for little people, like cops and feds.
    Interestingly, a police chief and mayor of a major metropolitan area(L.A. iirc) postured a total ban on handguns and police collection. Almost unanimously the lower ranking officers said to paraphrase "If they want them that bad they can get them for themselves, we aren't getting our asses shot off for that".
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: Would you shoot your fellow Americans?

    Quote Originally Posted by wolfman24 View Post
    Define YOUR LIBERTY please?
    Certainly. We can use the following example:

    Let's say President Obama declares the U.S. Constitution ineffective, and pronounces himself King. We'll assume that 90% of the Democrats support this move, and approximately 60 - 70% of our national government also supports it, as long as they don't lose any power or influence during the transition. Then let's say our supreme leader freezes all assets of non-elites and government officials and redistributes all of it among the kingdom's future peasant-residents (sans all fire arms of course, as those would be confiscated by our newly reformed law enforcement officials). I suspect it would be during this great private weapons round up, that I would begin to open fire.

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    Re: Would you shoot your fellow Americans?

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    Interestingly, a police chief and mayor of a major metropolitan area(L.A. iirc) postured a total ban on handguns and police collection. Almost unanimously the lower ranking officers said to paraphrase "If they want them that bad they can get them for themselves, we aren't getting our asses shot off for that".
    I'm surprised they didn't call the ATF. Those people love to leave a path of death and fail behind them.
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    Re: Would you shoot your fellow Americans?

    Quote Originally Posted by Surtr View Post
    I'm surprised they didn't call the ATF. Those people love to leave a path of death and fail behind them.
    That's no lie. Sad thing is a couple of friends of mine have had conversations with a few field agents, they are actually not bad people. The upper ranks of the ATF are complete incompetents who are severely anti-gun though, and unfortunately they're the ones issuing orders.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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