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    Re: Would you support a Muslim for President?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Cool, can we ban Christianity too? Hell, let's wipe out all religion while we're at it, the planet will be a much better place to be. But back in the real world, as much as I might wish religion would just go away, it's going to take a while, so let's pretend to be realistic for a while, shall we?
    Let's defang Islam. Leave the religious part alone but ban the dangerous, aggressive, rival to democracy.

    Islam is the only religion with a theology demanding violence against unbelievers.

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    Re: Would you support a Muslim for President?

    Quote Originally Posted by marsden View Post
    Islam is the only religion with a theology demanding violence against unbelievers.
    You've already been called on this and proven incorrect. Every religion based on Judaism has a theological justification-- and history-- of violence against infidels.

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    Re: Would you support a Muslim for President?

    Quote Originally Posted by Viktyr Gehrig View Post
    You've already been called on this and proven incorrect. Every religion based on Judaism has a theological justification-- and history-- of violence against infidels.
    ...and most of them grew out of it.
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    then you are a hypocrite and everything you say on the matter is just babble.

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    Re: Would you support a Muslim for President?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    ...and most of them grew out of it.
    You don't listen to the political commentators on FOX News much, then, I take it.

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    Re: Would you support a Muslim for President?

    Quote Originally Posted by Viktyr Gehrig View Post
    You've already been called on this and proven incorrect. Every religion based on Judaism has a theological justification-- and history-- of violence against infidels.
    I have not been proven incorrect.

    No one wants to prevent anyone from worshipping their deity. But when the Church members actively - and we're not talking about thousands of years ago - suborn killing, intimidation and terrorism in the name of their that deity, NO OTHER RELIGION can match that kind of worship.

    Why? Because it is not the religious part that causes these abominable actions, it is the political part.

    Name ANY other RELIGION that commands it's followers to slay disbelievers and make their "religion" dominant over all others on earth.

    That isn't a religion. It's a warring force with a system of government that is hostileto all other systems of government.

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    Re: Would you support a Muslim for President?

    Quote Originally Posted by FluffyNinja View Post
    Allow me to begin by saying that Obama's presidency has nothing to do with this poll. I am in no way implying that President Obama is in anyway personally affiliated with the religion of Islam. I was inspired to create it after posting in a couple other threads which directly tied religious doctrine with support for various presidential candidates, So, here goes:

    Let's use our imaginations here........Suppose there were a presidential candidate who was obviously the most experienced and the most qualified among the field of candidates. Also, let's suppose that this particular candidate espoused much or most of the political, economic, social, and moral ideals which were important to you as a voter. Now let us suppose that this candidate just prior to election day, announced publicly that he/she was converting to Islam. Would you give this candidate your support? Please give your reasoning.

    *Note: Obviously this poll is directed at non-Muslim voters although anyone is welcome to participate.
    Until recently, I was represented by a congressman who was Muslim, and I voted for him. I didn't care about his religion at all. Why would I? What does it have to do with anything? The "sharia law" line is garbage. Religion is personal. The first time you heard that Obama was a Christian, did you wonder whether or not he was going to create a federal ban on businesses being open on Sunday?

    Seriously, the Sharia law thing is so stupid. Even if a candidate was secretly trying to get into the White House as a conspiracy to apply Sharia Law, what would it matter? The Supreme Court would uphold it? Congress wouldn't care? It's so, so absurd.

    And far, far, far right conservatives claim Obama is in league with Muslims in the middle east. No he's not. Did radical islamic terrorists stop plotting against us? Does Obama go down to Guantanamo on Thursday nights to play poker? I know a lot of people - intelligent people, even - are internally divided by this, but let me propose this: the leader of Hamas converts to Christianity. Israel and Pakistan will end their conflict now, right?
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    Re: Would you support a Muslim for President?

    Quote Originally Posted by marsden View Post
    I have not been proven incorrect.
    Exodus 22:18. It's right there in the ****ing Bible. I'm not going to waste my time digging up more quotes where the Jews are exhorted to murder and conquer Gentiles-- in the same books that Christians derive so much of their morality from-- when your idiotic nonsense claim has already been shot down.

    Quote Originally Posted by marsden View Post
    No one wants to prevent anyone from worshipping their deity.
    No? How else do you explain the active and vocal opposition by Christian groups from allowing pagan soldiers to have appropriate gravesite decorations and services? Family court judges denying custody and visitation rights on the basis of benign religious beliefs?

    Quote Originally Posted by marsden View Post
    But when the Church members actively - and we're not talking about thousands of years ago - suborn killing, intimidation and terrorism in the name of their that deity, NO OTHER RELIGION can match that kind of worship.
    "We should invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity."

    What year did Ms. Coulter say that?

    Quote Originally Posted by marsden View Post
    Name ANY other RELIGION that commands it's followers to slay disbelievers and make their "religion" dominant over all others on earth.
    Plenty of Christian sects do this. Hell, what you're proposing is barely different.

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    Re: Would you support a Muslim for President?

    Quote Originally Posted by marsden View Post
    Islam is a form of government and has laws which are antithetical to democracy.
    So does your form of government, seeing as how you're championining the addition of an amendment that is inherently contradictory to one of the most basic tennets this particular democracy was founded upon and in which you'd specifically ban a segment of the populatoin from the democratic process.

    Thankfully for you, the rest of us aren't going to suggest your doom-crier ravings that are antithetical to democracy requires you to be banned.

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    Re: Would you support a Muslim for President?

    Quote Originally Posted by marsden View Post
    Let's defang Islam. Leave the religious part alone but ban the dangerous, aggressive, rival to democracy.

    Islam is the only religion with a theology demanding violence against unbelievers.
    Not remotely close. The Bible is full of verses that call for believers to kill others. In fact, there probably aren't many religions worldwide whose "holy books" aren't full of commandments to go out and slay in the name of their gods. What you fail to recognize, purposely, I think, is that it isn't the religion that's any better, it's the society in which that religion exists that has a moderating effect on the violent tendencies of the religious fanatics. Muslims in the U.S. aren't violent, any more than Christians are, because we have a secular society that doesn't allow them to run roughshod over unbelievers. Christian history is long and bloody and has resulted in the murder of millions of people. Today, it happens to be focused in the western, civilized world, which doesn't permit it to act like a bunch of unruly schoolchildren. Islam, on the other hand, is mostly based in the middle east, where secular society has not taken hold and cannot moderate it. However, if you look at outlying areas, like Africa, you find that Christianity is still a terror, murdering people in the name of their religion. Let's not forget the decades-long fighting between Protestants and Catholics in Ireland, which hasn't been over all that long, either.

    Christianity is no better than Islam and given half a chance today, would be out there happily killing unbelievers alongside the Muslims.

    Religion, virtually all religion, is prone to violence if you don't constantly watch it.
    There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide the world that cannot be achieved more rationally through entirely secular means.

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    Re: Would you support a Muslim for President?

    Quote Originally Posted by marsden View Post
    Also, you have an inadequate understanding of Islam, IMHO.

    Only until the POLITICAL component is removed from Islam will we be safe. We are dealing with a deadly viper. Moderation in dealing with Islam without first defanging it is only delaying the inevitable.

    Especially as it seems fashionable to hold ill informed opinions about Islam and how best to deal with it, people don't understand what a real moderate philosophy about Islam should be.
    I don't see any difference between any religion. They just operate differently. Where Islam is a brutal religion, Chritianity is sadistic, and manipulative. Religion is a posion to this world. It is funny that the COEXIST bumper stickers have religious symbols for the letters, I wonder why that is? hmm
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