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    Re: Stem Cell Research: For or Against?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Not a fanatic at all. A rationalist.

    If I had never had my siblings, I wouldn't miss them because I never would have had them. Or did you not think of that?

    Which, of course, has nothing whatsoever to do with stem cell research. I really find it funny for people who are so absurdly ignorant of the subject matter who go on and on about how it works when it's clear they're clueless.
    You have no imagination. I assume calling yourself a rationalist is the only other place to go to.

    So being able to turn mature, post-natal cells into embryonic pre-natal stem cells that can then be studied... thus eliminating the need to kill 10day old fetuses when you harvest them for their stem cells... has nothing to do with stem cell research.

    Rationalism.

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    Re: Stem Cell Research: For or Against?

    Quote Originally Posted by zstep18 View Post
    This is a hypothetical. Let's say that stem cell research did not involve the use of embryos but involved something else which had the same potential and success as embryonic stem cell research. There would no embryos or human life destroyed in the use of stem cell research.

    Would you support or oppose stem cell research?
    This is essentially not a hypothetical. Embryonic stem cell research is not necessary.

    There are no legal / moral issues with doing experimentation on donated adult cells. So one has little basis to oppose its legality.

    The concern - which this averts - comes from taking the cells of those who do not and cannot give consent, or worse, creating human beings just for scientific experimentation.

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    Re: Stem Cell Research: For or Against?

    Quote Originally Posted by zstep18 View Post
    This is a hypothetical. Let's say that stem cell research did not involve the use of embryos but involved something else which had the same potential and success as embryonic stem cell research. There would no embryos or human life destroyed in the use of stem cell research.

    Would you support or oppose stem cell research?
    I support it 100%. The goal of science is to improve our lives and reduce human suffering. I can think of no better field for that than this.

    I wonder if the 2 people who voted against it would change their minds if they were paralyzed from the neck down, as stem cell research has shown promising potential to reverse such injuries.
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    Re: Stem Cell Research: For or Against?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rainman05 View Post
    You have no imagination. I assume calling yourself a rationalist is the only other place to go to.

    So being able to turn mature, post-natal cells into embryonic pre-natal stem cells that can then be studied... thus eliminating the need to kill 10day old fetuses when you harvest them for their stem cells... has nothing to do with stem cell research.

    Rationalism.
    As I said, I don't care where you get the cells, I'm not a whining emotional nitwit, crying "think of the fetuses!" If you can get them from post-natal cells, go for it. If you want to harvest them from aborted fetuses, go for it. The research is important, certainly more important than a bunch of religious anti-abortionist crybabies.
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    Re: Stem Cell Research: For or Against?

    Not only am I "For" this, I think we should be spending A LOT LESS on maintenance level care via Medicaid and Medicare, and instead be investing A LOT MORE in R&D on promising things like this. I mean in principle the private markets would handle it all the way around, but compared to what we're doing I think this is a lot better use of our money because we stand to make major advances, whereas these entitlement programs are just a drain. We don't need to be guaranteeing minimal health and living standards and wasting money on cost-expansionary entitlements, but it makes good sense (comparatively) to

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    Re: Stem Cell Research: For or Against?

    How about one side be honest?

    No one is aborting babies to get stem cells. Furthermore, aborted fetuses are sent for non-stem cell research to universities and labs all of the time. When do we here the GOP complain about that? The rest of the remains are burned. Second, embyros in IVF are also sent for research or burned. The number actually frozen is low, and those with genetic defects are NEVER saved.

    I personally value my family more then a .few cells smaller then the head of a pin. If I gotta sacrifice dozens, if not thousands of embryos no bigger then the head of a pin to save my family, I'm doing it. You are lying if you disagree or you just hate your family.
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    Re: Stem Cell Research: For or Against?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Dwarfism doesn't work that way, achondroplasic dwarfism is a genetic mutation during pregnancy, it's not something that can be tested for in the parents (assuming neither parent is a dwarf). It's not something that you can fix with a vaccine. It's probably conceivable to fix with a retrovirus, but only if caught very early in utero and it's not something that is easily detectable, sometimes not even for quite some time after birth.

    However, what I was talking about was a lot of parents of dwarf children are so fascinated with the fact that their children are unique, they act like dwarfism is fantastic and they'd advocate it to anyone. I think a lot of it is the emotional attachment they have to their children and as such, they cannot imagine their children being any different than they are and thus, they convince themselves that dwarfism is preferable to non-dwarfism. It's really not a rational way of viewing the world.
    You seem to have the preoccupation with the parents whereas that's only a portion of the story. A culture develops not just from family members being supportive or advocates, it becomes accepted and supported reality for those who actually live their lives as the other. What I have just read is that you have such an attachment to your existence that you cannot imagine how they would be just fine or love the fact that they are who they are.
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    Re: Stem Cell Research: For or Against?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    You seem to have the preoccupation with the parents whereas that's only a portion of the story. A culture develops not just from family members being supportive or advocates, it becomes accepted and supported reality for those who actually live their lives as the other. What I have just read is that you have such an attachment to your existence that you cannot imagine how they would be just fine or love the fact that they are who they are.
    I was specifically talking about online forums for parents of dwarf children. Since most of the children in question are infants at that stage, clearly I'm only talking about the reactions of the parents. But you'd know that if you read things in context, or... I don't know, just asked?
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    Re: Stem Cell Research: For or Against?

    Quote Originally Posted by zstep18 View Post
    This is a hypothetical. Let's say that stem cell research did not involve the use of embryos but involved something else which had the same potential and success as embryonic stem cell research. There would no embryos or human life destroyed in the use of stem cell research.

    Would you support or oppose stem cell research?
    I'm against anything that allows the human population to keep expanding. 7 billion is more than enough people.
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    Re: Stem Cell Research: For or Against?

    Quote Originally Posted by Surtr View Post
    I'm against anything that allows the human population to keep expanding. 7 billion is more than enough people.
    I don't think stem cell research will have much affect on the human population lol.

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