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    Re: Stem Cell Research: For or Against?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rainman05 View Post
    Really?

    Let me paint you a picture. What if... you were a single child and you wanted to have a baby brother or a younger sister to play with. You then find out your mother is pregnant because you hear them speak about it... then, they go and kill your baby brother in order for him stem cells to be harvested for scientific research.

    How would that make you feel? Would you still support them regardless of where they came from?
    I think he meant whether they came from embryonic stem cells or adult stem cells, it doesn't matter. And the way you have described it here certainly is not how they get embryonic stem cells.

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    Re: Stem Cell Research: For or Against?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rainman05 View Post
    Really?
    Yes, really.

    Let me paint you a picture. What if... you were a single child and you wanted to have a baby brother or a younger sister to play with. You then find out your mother is pregnant because you hear them speak about it... then, they go and kill your baby brother in order for him stem cells to be harvested for scientific research.
    Entirely fine with me. A child has no control over the reproductive rights of their mother. What idiot would think otherwise?

    How would that make you feel? Would you still support them regardless of where they came from?
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    Re: Stem Cell Research: For or Against?

    Quote Originally Posted by zstep18 View Post
    I think he meant whether they came from embryonic stem cells or adult stem cells, it doesn't matter. And the way you have described it here certainly is not how they get embryonic stem cells.
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    Re: Stem Cell Research: For or Against?

    Absolutely for. As long as funding is done through the private sector. Don't care how the research is done.
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    Re: Stem Cell Research: For or Against?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    I don't understand why these people are stopping us from reaping these scientific benefits. Imagine if certain cells could be manipulated in order to cure certain diseases and disabilities?

    There needs to be more of a push to break these chains.
    For the former, people would obviously agree. For the latter, most people would agree, but never underestimate the limitations surrounding the assumptions of the non-disabled. There are plenty (certainly not all) of disability categories where it is a grave insult to promote the cure.
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    Re: Stem Cell Research: For or Against?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    For the former, people would obviously agree. For the latter, most people would agree, but never underestimate the limitations surrounding the assumptions of the non-disabled. There are plenty (certainly not all) of disability categories where it is a grave insult to promote the cure.
    Plenty of disability categories where it is a grave insult to promote the cure? What to do you mean?

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    Re: Stem Cell Research: For or Against?

    Quote Originally Posted by zstep18 View Post
    Plenty of disability categories where it is a grave insult to promote the cure? What to do you mean?
    If you were to somehow use our scientific knowledge to proclaim that "we can end Autism" and the media and the streets cheer, you have possibly (and I say "possibly" because it is more of an individual matter than many might credit) indicted the millions that have it and the many of those who view it as central to their identities, something they have come to accept and even love. The same had been experienced by the Deaf community many times over, and still is a problematic proposition.
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    Re: Stem Cell Research: For or Against?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    If you were to somehow use our scientific knowledge to proclaim that "we can end Autism" and the media and the streets cheer, you have possibly (and I say "possibly" because it is more of an individual matter than many might credit) indicted the millions that have it and the many of those who view it as central to their identities, something they have come to accept and even love. The same had been experienced by the Deaf community many times over, and still is a problematic proposition.
    I definitely agree with you to a certain extent. However, in your example, autism is a spectrum disorder, so someone who had Aspergers would be different than someone who had a more severe case of autism.

    But, consider something like say, cystic fibrosis. I can't imagine many people who have CF who would say that they wouldn't want to change anything about them if they had the opportunity.

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    Re: Stem Cell Research: For or Against?

    Quote Originally Posted by zstep18 View Post
    I definitely agree with you to a certain extent. However, in your example, autism is a spectrum disorder, so someone who had Aspergers would be different than someone who had a more severe case of autism.

    But, consider something like say, cystic fibrosis. I can't imagine many people who have CF who would say that they wouldn't want to change anything about them if they had the opportunity.
    True, those with Aspergers are different (and each person with that label is different from another) from those with other disabilities in the spectrum, however, I have to still suggest that the kids I know who do have what the medical community considers a more serious condition of autism are also happy with themselves and their lives. I grew up with some of them, and others I came to know through a conference we sponsor every year and play games with them. Some of them have specifically relayed in one way or another that they like themselves, being different along with being the same as the other kids. In fact, I am thinking right now of a little boy and his shy smile, and a cute little girl that loved to give me high fives and beamed each time we did something right in a team competition. Every kid in the spectrum is different, some more easily communicative than others, some of them share more hope than others. But they are just as human and they are experiencing life.

    I claim no knowledge over cystic fibrosis, and offer any sympathies to those who would quickly remind me of my place in such an instance. But I will say that we have to tread carefully down this path. Their lives are worth living. Sometimes it's the rest of us that have to reorientate ourselves and our conceptualization for what constitutes a good life.
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    This sums up my position.
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