View Poll Results: Should we pay government officials and/or limit them to one term?

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  • Both; We should pay government officials more and we should limit them to one term

    1 5.26%
  • We should pay government officials more, but we shouldn't change the current term system

    0 0%
  • We should limit government officials to one term, but we shouldn't pay them more

    6 31.58%
  • Neither; paying them more and limiting them to one term are both horrible ideas

    12 63.16%
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    Re: Should we pay Government officials more and/or limit them to one term?

    In hindsight I should have put an "other" poll option. I'll know better next time.

    I kind of agree with the concept. Paying them more gives more people incentive to become one, instead of today where successful surgeons, engineers, etc. make more than our Congressman, as Sowell points out. Because of the low pay relative to other professions, the only reason someone wants to be in the government is for the power. Another problem is when they get elected, they spend too much time trying to get re-elected rather than trying to do their jobs. Limiting them to one term prevents this.
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    Re: Should we pay Government officials more and/or limit them to one term?

    Looking over the pluses and minuses to term limit of one term, I favor them. It would drastically curtail the power of special interests, will make politicians concentrate on doing their job instead of being in constant re-election mode. On salary, I would have a low base salary and tie very lucrative bonuses to things like each percentage point decrease in government costs as percentage of GNP, unemployment rate, etc

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    Re: Should we pay Government officials more and/or limit them to one term?

    Quote Originally Posted by duhu View Post
    I read a good article from Thomas Sowell, an economist, philosopher, and author, and senior fellow at the Hoover Institute. In the article, he makes the argument that it might be better to pay our government officials more, as well as limiting terms (preferably to one). I highly recommend reading the article before voting.

    So what do you think? Some good ideas, some bad? A bunch of hogwash perhaps, or would this actually work out pretty good?

    Discuss.
    I would be willing to pay more for our members of Congress if we could also put an end to lobbying.

    And I'm not in favor of term limits. Rather, I much more prefer age limits.
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    Re: Should we pay Government officials more and/or limit them to one term?

    I believe politicians should get paid on commission only. When the country is being run well, they get paid good. When the country is being run bad, they get paid bad. I have never worked for a company that keeps me employed and paid when I am doing a bad job. Neither should a politician. That should go for any public service job.

    In saying that, it would make politicians strive to be the best they can. Be the examples for our society they always talk about and fail miserably at. Not all politicians are bad, I admit. But it is hard to see the good in them when you hear so many negative things about them.

    There should be no more than 2 terms for any position. They should have a 1 year hiatus before being allowed to run for another position. No bills can be authored or voted on that give them financial kickbacks. They get the same holiday schedule as most working Americans. No more recess time. If there is an issue that needs to be resolved, they can't take time off until it is resolved. I can't decide to take a couple days off when there is a hot issue at work. Sometimes I have to put in overtime to get an issue resolved. The same principal should go for our politicians. They are working for us and should be subjected to the same working policies.

    Lobbying should be made illegal and punishable with a felony conviction. There is absolutely no need for special interest groups. We are capable of writing and calling our Representatives and Senators and discussing important issues. We can even go as far as making a required "Town Hall" discussion, where they have to address our concerns.

    I think I hit the major issues I see with our current system.
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    Re: Should we pay Government officials more and/or limit them to one term?

    Quote Originally Posted by duhu View Post
    I read a good article from Thomas Sowell, an economist, philosopher, and author, and senior fellow at the Hoover Institute. In the article, he makes the argument that it might be better to pay our government officials more, as well as limiting terms (preferably to one). I highly recommend reading the article before voting.

    So what do you think? Some good ideas, some bad? A bunch of hogwash perhaps, or would this actually work out pretty good?

    Discuss.



    Well there is much to be said for higher salaries attracting better people for a position,
    I just can't go along with his thinking. Salaries are but the tip of the iceberg of what ends
    being our overall cost consider just the following that we as tax payers are also paying for.


    Representatives have one allowance available to support them in their official and
    representational duties to the districts from which they were elected. This allowance is the
    Members’ representational allowance (MRA). The 2011 allowances range from $1,356,975
    to $1,671,596, with an average MRA of $1,446,009.


    The total amount available in each Senator’s Official Personnel and Office Expense Account
    (SOPOEA) The three allowances for all Senators are funded together in a single appropriation subaccount,
    “Senators’ Official Personnel and Office Expense Account,” within the appropriation account
    “Contingent Expenses of the Senate.” The list of total office allowances contained in the Senate
    report on the its version of the FY2012 legislative branch appropriations bill (S.Rept. 112-80),

    shows a range of $2,960,726 to $4,685,279, depending on the state. The average allocation, was
    $3,206,825.


    Each Senator is authorized $40,000 for state office furniture and furnishings for one or more
    offices, if the aggregate square footage of office space does not exceed 5,000 square feet. The
    base authorization is increased by $1,000 for each authorized additional incremental increase in
    office space of 200 square feet.


    According to the Congressional Research Service, 413 retired Members of Congress were receiving
    federal pensions based fully or in part on their congressional service as of Oct. 1, 2006.
    Of this number, 290 had retired under CSRS and were receiving an average annual pension of $60,972.
    A total of 123 Members had retired with service under both CSRS and FERS or with service under FERS only.
    Their average annual pension was $35,952 in 2006. (those retiring under FERS only are also eligible for SS benefits)


    Foreign travel is not included in any of the perks listed, that is another perk along with all expenses
    that go with it.

    Then you have the money gifted in one way or another from lobbyists, and who knows what kind of figure
    that is. Plus after being voted out or retiring, you have a career as a lobbyist

    Then of course you have their gold plated health insurance

    I'm sure if someone was to take the time to research this completely, they would find that what I have listed
    is just a small part of what it actually costs the taxpayers of this country for each member elected.
    Last edited by The Barbarian; 10-10-12 at 09:36 AM.

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