View Poll Results: Which of his 3 comments do you believe Romney holds in his heart and mind?

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  • His private comment of 47% to his uber wealthy comrads.

    11 91.67%
  • His reaction when it was released where he said it was an inelegant comment.

    1 8.33%
  • His comment this week as voting begins that he now is wrong about the 47%

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    Re: Romney on the 47% (his 3 interpretations)

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    He's not hostile to success. But he has had his own share of government assistance.



    I guess so but a CEO is not necessarily the best President. Hoover, Carter and Bush Jr ran firms. We got debacles with all three.
    \NOthing Obama did prior to being elected demonstrated any promise of competence and he has confirmed that for the last 3.5 years

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    Re: Romney on the 47% (his 3 interpretations)

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    Nothing Obama did prior to being elected demonstrated any promise of competence and he has confirmed that for the last 3.5 years
    Well, that's your opinion. I do agree that prior to his presidency I didn't think he was ready. I voted Barr in 2008. That said, we did avoid a massive aggregate demand drop. That did save the economy from a serious depression. I do think that Obama over promised and undelivered. But given how previous financial recessions have gone in the past 50 years, it really wouldn't have mattered who won. We'd still be in this problem. And it is unlikely that McCain's Communist mortgage plan would have actually been enacted to fix the housing crisis. Given the situations, I'd argue that Obama did fairly decent, especially with an opposition party who flat up admitted they were going to block everything. There is no fast way for a first world nation that isn't heavily reliant upon exports to get out of a financial recession quickly. It has never happened. Developing nations have ways around this, but for a domestic, consumer centric economy likes ours? Short of direct government wholesale lending, we really have no options. Tax cuts didn't work TWICE to materially boost activity and government direct spending can only do so much. Supply side and Kenysian have never been able to properly slay a financial recession.
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    Re: Romney on the 47% (his 3 interpretations)

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Well, that's your opinion. I do agree that prior to his presidency I didn't think he was ready. I voted Barr in 2008. That said, we did avoid a massive aggregate demand drop. That did save the economy from a serious depression. I do think that Obama over promised and undelivered. But given how previous financial recessions have gone in the past 50 years, it really wouldn't have mattered who won. We'd still be in this problem. And it is unlikely that McCain's Communist mortgage plan would have actually been enacted to fix the housing crisis. Given the situations, I'd argue that Obama did fairly decent, especially with an opposition party who flat up admitted they were going to block everything. There is no fast way for a first world nation that isn't heavily reliant upon exports to get out of a financial recession quickly. It has never happened. Developing nations have ways around this, but for a domestic, consumer centric economy likes ours? Short of direct government wholesale lending, we really have no options. Tax cuts didn't work TWICE to materially boost activity and government direct spending can only do so much. Supply side and Kenysian have never been able to properly slay a financial recession.
    a sound point but Obama's scheme to raise taxes on a small minority is designed to buy votes and will do nothing positive while telling teh middle class that they don't need to pay more to get rid of the deficit

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    Re: Romney on the 47% (his 3 interpretations)

    TurtleDude,

    Why does it have to be envy? In your opinion, why is it that people can't question Romney's honesty on this issue without there being an ulterior motive? After all, he did speak very candidly without realizing that a camera was secretly trained on him. And mind you, the question that was asked had nothing to do with campaign strategy contrary to how his supporters have attempted to defend him after the fact. Moreover, Dion is right. Even after his comments were made public the only excuse he gave at the time was "he didn't speak elequently enough" as if using more polite words would change the fact that he basically wrote off nearly half the country. Now post-first presidential debate he issues an apology for giving what many believe was his honest, unfiltered opinion.

    My vote is that was the real Mitt Romney speaking. No false pretenses! No script! No campaign advisors telling him what to say. What we all heard IMO was a snipet of what the man believes.

    Now, if Romney had prefaced his remarks somewhere along the lines that our government has for years fostered an entitlement mentality by favoring our tax code toward the rich or by implementing laws, such as the Employee Retirement Income Security Act (ERISA), that don't provide for rapid, short-term financial gains for the middle-class, maybe he could have segwayed into his entitlement rant and his argument would have made more sense where answering the question that was placed before him concerning individual responsibility. But he didn't, and IMO his answer was very telling as to what he believes, the kind of man he really is and what he thinks about people at lower income levels.

    You can continue to defend him if you wish - that is your choice - but that video was the defining moment for me. There's just no way I can vote for a presidential candidate who for all practical purposes has written off half the country.

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    Re: Romney on the 47% (his 3 interpretations)

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    a sound point but Obama's scheme to raise taxes on a small minority is designed to buy votes and will do nothing positive while telling teh middle class that they don't need to pay more to get rid of the deficit
    To a degree yeah. Mathematically unless you hike taxes on those making over $100k to 90%, you can't reduce the deficit. There isn't enough money there. And the impact to consumer spending would be suicidal. The Middle class and even the poor will eventually have to pay more just like the rich to get this deficit and debt down. We have to cut spending and raise taxes on everyone. The trick however, is to hurt everyone enough to make a dent in the deficit but not enough so they seriously change their spending habits. I have yet to hear anyone but Virgil and Johnson admit this. Both Obama and Romney are lying their asses off about taxes and spending.
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    Re: Romney on the 47% (his 3 interpretations)

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    TurtleDude,

    Why does it have to be envy? In your opinion, why is it that people can't question Romney's honesty on this issue without there being an ulterior motive? After all, he did speak very candidly without realizing that a camera was secretly trained on him. And mind you, the question that was asked had nothing to do with campaign strategy contrary to how his supporters have attempted to defend him after the fact. Moreover, Dion is right. Even after his comments were made public the only excuse he gave at the time was "he didn't speak elequently enough" as if using more polite words would change the fact that he basically wrote off nearly half the country. Now post-first presidential debate he issues an apology for giving what many believe was his honest, unfiltered opinion.

    My vote is that was the real Mitt Romney speaking. No false pretenses! No script! No campaign advisors telling him what to say. What we all heard IMO was a snipet of what the man believes.

    Now, if Romney had prefaced his remarks somewhere along the lines that our government has for years fostered an entitlement mentality by favoring our tax code toward the rich or by implementing laws, such as the Employee Retirement Income Security Act (ERISA), that don't provide for rapid, short-term financial gains for the middle-class, maybe he could have segwayed into his entitlement rant and his argument would have made more sense where answering the question that was placed before him concerning individual responsibility. But he didn't, and IMO his answer was very telling as to what he believes, the kind of man he really is and what he thinks about people at lower income levels.

    You can continue to defend him if you wish - that is your choice - but that video was the defining moment for me. There's just no way I can vote for a presidential candidate who for all practical purposes has written off half the country.
    IF envy was not such a major issue then Obunny would not be running ads about how much MOney Romney made and Obunny's surrogates like the AFSCME scum would not be lying by saying that Romney pays a lower tax rate than "nurses" etc. A complete like unless nurses are making say 200K or more.

    ROmney was speaking to a group of true believers. I guess in this gotcha day of politics no one is upset that some asshole illegally taped him. I would be half my wealth that Obunny says similar stuff to his most avid supporters.

    and guess what, that doesn't bother me at all. I know how the game is played.

    why should he apologize for trying to convince his faithful to give him more money

    the guy who taped that should be history IMHO though or at least someone's prison bitch

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    Re: Romney on the 47% (his 3 interpretations)

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Well, that's your opinion. I do agree that prior to his presidency I didn't think he was ready. I voted Barr in 2008. That said, we did avoid a massive aggregate demand drop. That did save the economy from a serious depression. I do think that Obama over promised and undelivered. But given how previous financial recessions have gone in the past 50 years, it really wouldn't have mattered who won. We'd still be in this problem. And it is unlikely that McCain's Communist mortgage plan would have actually been enacted to fix the housing crisis. Given the situations, I'd argue that Obama did fairly decent, especially with an opposition party who flat up admitted they were going to block everything. There is no fast way for a first world nation that isn't heavily reliant upon exports to get out of a financial recession quickly. It has never happened. Developing nations have ways around this, but for a domestic, consumer centric economy likes ours? Short of direct government wholesale lending, we really have no options. Tax cuts didn't work TWICE to materially boost activity and government direct spending can only do so much. Supply side and Kenysian have never been able to properly slay a financial recession.
    But atleast Kenysian economics have proven to stabalize faultering economies during hard economic times. I've never been an advocate of implementing such a financial strategy except during a recession or depression where the private sector could not fix itself because too much wealth within financial markets has been lost. But once the economy stabalizes (and the best economic indicator of that is an unemployment rate between 3.5 - 6%), then you can switch gears and return to balanced budget practices that combine spending reductions, program elimination, some revenue raisers and targetted tax cuts, if necessary. But I digress...

    IMO, the real Mitt Romney spoke his mind in May 2012 when he thought no cameras were recording his every word.

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    Re: Romney on the 47% (his 3 interpretations)

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    But atleast Kenysian economics have proven to stabalize faultering economies during hard economic times. I've never been an advocate of implementing such a financial strategy except during a recession or depression where the private sector could not fix itself because too much wealth within financial markets has been lost. But once the economy stabalizes (and the best economic indicator of that is an unemployment rate between 3.5 - 6%), then you can switch gears and return to balanced budget practices that combine spending reductions, program elimination, some revenue raisers and targetted tax cuts, if necessary. But I digress...

    IMO, the real Mitt Romney spoke his mind in May 2012 when he thought no cameras were recording his every word.
    and even if you are correct what real relevance does that to this election?

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    Re: Romney on the 47% (his 3 interpretations)

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    To a degree yeah. Mathematically unless you hike taxes on those making over $100k to 90%, you can't reduce the deficit. There isn't enough money there. And the impact to consumer spending would be suicidal. The Middle class and even the poor will eventually have to pay more just like the rich to get this deficit and debt down. We have to cut spending and raise taxes on everyone. The trick however, is to hurt everyone enough to make a dent in the deficit but not enough so they seriously change their spending habits. I have yet to hear anyone but Virgil and Johnson admit this. Both Obama and Romney are lying their asses off about taxes and spending.
    correct, but the main thing we have to do is to make more spending distasteful to politicians. And right now many of them derive benefits from spending a lot because people vote for them for doing that. Those people vote for them because they want spending and they don't get taxed when spending is increased. raising taxes merely on the rich will not change the spending habits of politicians nor the desire for spending by the voters.

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    Re: Romney on the 47% (his 3 interpretations)

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    IF envy was not such a major issue then Obunny would not be running ads about how much MOney Romney made and Obunny's surrogates like the AFSCME scum would not be lying by saying that Romney pays a lower tax rate than "nurses" etc. A complete like unless nurses are making say 200K or more.

    ROmney was speaking to a group of true believers. I guess in this gotcha day of politics no one is upset that some asshole illegally taped him. I would be half my wealth that Obunny says similar stuff to his most avid supporters.

    and guess what, that doesn't bother me at all. I know how the game is played.

    why should he apologize for trying to convince his faithful to give him more money

    the guy who taped that should be history IMHO though or at least someone's prison bitch
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