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Should Christians support Obama?

Should Christians support Obama?


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Since Obama disagrees with most of the things he believes in like SSM, abortion any time including partial birth should Christians vote for him?

And Jesus gathered his twelve disciples, and told them "****eth thy poor! ****eth thy lazy moochers, thy tired, thy weak, thy huddled masses. Give unto God what is God's, and give unto Caesar a protest of abortion rights. Also, no queers settling down." - Luke 6:20-21
 
Matt. 19:4-9 (the words of Christ - marriage between man and woman is defined)
Also in the books of Romans, 1Corinthians, 1Timothy, Paul relays the doctrines of Christ regarding homosexuality. :shrug:

As far as abortion goes, this is a much deeper issue, but it is obvious that Christ taught the sanctity of life. The question which will never be answered satisfactorily for either the pro-choice or pro-life crowds, is at what point life actually begins. Again, down this whole line of discussion lies madness......and that madness belongs in another forum. :lol:

SSM is for more for legal equality then anything else. i fail to see why a christian would be against it.(even though many are)
i mean its not like it would be a blessed union just a legally recognized one.
 
Matt. 19:4-9 (the words of Christ - marriage between man and woman is defined)
Also in the books of Romans, 1Corinthians, 1Timothy, Paul relays the doctrines of Christ regarding homosexuality. :shrug:

As far as abortion goes, this is a much deeper issue, but it is obvious that Christ taught the sanctity of life. The question which will never be answered satisfactorily for either the pro-choice or pro-life crowds, is at what point life actually begins. Again, down this whole line of discussion lies madness......and that madness belongs in another forum. :lol:
Fluffy, if you believe that homosexuality is a "sin", then further discussion is a waste, much as a discussion between a fence post and a wall.

I have read Matthew 19.....
Not one word about SSM...rather "God does not like divorce" is the topic, among others.
SSM is a more recent discussed phenomena.
There is so much that the Bible does not even bring up...and for good reason.
AS to "Christians" supporting President Obama, why not ??
I find Mr Obama far closer to the teachings of Jesus than Mr Romney. For one, Jesus would have sympathy for the homosexual....as this is, in fact a type of disorder(IMO)
 
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So you think we should vote for anti-colonialists like Obama?


"Anti-colonialist" ?
Thats a new one, from the past, the dark, dingy, dirty past...
Maybe, this is why (an indirect reason), President Obama received the Nobel Peace Prize.
 
I most certainly am an atheist and you have no standing to say I'm not. And, I was born and raised in the U.S. and moved to Mexico when I retired. I don't know what "your" racial culture is but mine is as an American and my experience in that culture exceeds yours.

Rev. Wright and his protege are racist and are socialists. Black Liberation Theology is racist and socialist.

I wonder why your location is a secret. Actually, almost everything about you is a secret. Shame is a terrible burden. California? That would be embarrassing. Chicago? That would be pretty bad, too.


Claim all you want. Denying there is racism in this nation, that the Voting Rights act is fairly new, that schools were segregated and very different, that wages and jobs opportunities are as equal for blacks and whites as education is, is to reveal a non-understanding of the racial inequality in this country. To claim to KNOW that, and understand that, and then claim that Wight is a racist is just proving how removed you were from the very culture you deny.

What does my revealing where i am have to do with my opinions? Oh, I see. As with blacks, you have preconceived notions about cities and states in the US.
 
SSM is for more for legal equality then anything else. i fail to see why a christian would be against it.(even though many are)
i mean its not like it would be a blessed union just a legally recognized one.

I did not not say that I was "against it." You misread me. I don't really care if the the govt. legalizes SSM or not......it has no bearing whatsoever on my faith or in no way "detracts" from my own marriage. I believe that there are "legal" marriages and then there are "spiritual" marriages. Both can be, and quite often are, mutually exclusive. It should not be the role of Christians to try and dictate to the govt what "legal" marriage should consist of. I know.....amazing, right.........that a "religious zealot" like me could be so open-minded? :lol:

If those who are so quick to stereotype Christians or "evangelicals" would be a bit more "open" themselves, they might see that not all Christians are out with the pitchforks and axes raging to bring down their cherished institutions.........some of us are content just living our own lives and haven't necessarily made it our life's ambition to proselytize. :shrug:

As far as homosexuality goes......yes, being a Christian, of course I believe it's a sin......but no worse than any other sin that I, or any other Christian may commit each and every day. This is why I choose not to "cast stones."
 
I know plenty of Christians who aren't opposed to SSM. I can't say the same for abortion, though.

Ditto, but then I don't know anyone who supports the right to choose who is in favour of abortions.
 
Ditto, but then I don't know anyone who supports the right to choose who is in favour of abortions.


Christ never spoke out against abortion, but I know what you mean. Giving the RIGHT to an abortion is NOT being in favor of abortion. I don't know the lives of desperation women go through for their decisions. And it's not my place to limit their choices.
 
Fluffy, if you believe that homosexuality is a "sin", then further discussion is a waste, much as a discussion between a fence post and a wall.

I have read Matthew 19.....
Not one word about SSM...rather "God does not like divorce" is the topic, among others.
SSM is a more recent discussed phenomena.
There is so much that the Bible does not even bring up...and for good reason.
AS to "Christians" supporting President Obama, why not ??
I find Mr Obama far closer to the teachings of Jesus than Mr Romney. For one, Jesus would have sympathy for the homosexual....as this is, in fact a type of disorder(IMO)

Yes, in the book of Matthew, Christ defines Godly (spiritual) marriage as a union between man and woman.
There was no exception explicitly made for transvestitism, hermaphroditism, nor for transgenders; therefore, I think his words were quite clear on the matter. :shrug:

I don't care if Christians vote for Obama or not. I don't trust politicians.....ANY of them.......regardless of political affiliation, and ESPECIALLY those who publicly claim to espouse "Christian" principals. Hypocrisy doth run rampant during an election season! :lol:
 
Christ never spoke out against abortion, but I know what you mean. Giving the RIGHT to an abortion is NOT being in favor of abortion. I don't know the lives of desperation women go through for their decisions. And it's not my place to limit their choices.

When abortion was totally illegal, was the sum of human misery caused by unwanted pregnancies greater or less? I think that one's position on the subject can be determined largely by one's belief in the answer to that question.
 
Since Obama disagrees with most of the things he believes in like SSM, abortion any time including partial birth should Christians vote for him?

Most? What is the entire list of what Christians believe?
 
When abortion was totally illegal, was the sum of human misery caused by unwanted pregnancies greater or less? I think that one's position on the subject can be determined largely by one's belief in the answer to that question.

I think the difference is really more focused on the rights of women to choose when to have a baby, how many babies to have and by whom. The coupling of stopping birth control with abortions by the right wing born again evangelicals is key. NOT wanting to have birth control available indicates a desire to put women in their place under the heels of men making decisions for them on their reproductive organs. Allowing abortions and birth control allows a woman to be a human being and not a slave.
 
I think the difference is really more focused on the rights of women to choose when to have a baby, how many babies to have and by whom. The coupling of stopping birth control with abortions by the right wing born again evangelicals is key. NOT wanting to have birth control available indicates a desire to put women in their place under the heels of men making decisions for them on their reproductive organs. Allowing abortions and birth control allows a woman to be a human being and not a slave.

You're right, of course. I would put that demeaning, 'traditional' subservient position of women as a very real component of human misery. It always seems ironic that those on the control side of the argument are often those who decry Islamism for treating women like a man's property. That they are correct in that makes their ultra-conservative stance on reproductive rights all the more hypocritical.
 
You're right, of course. I would put that demeaning, 'traditional' subservient position of women as a very real component of human misery. It always seems ironic that those on the control side of the argument are often those who decry Islamism for treating women like a man's property. That they are correct in that makes their ultra-conservative stance on reproductive rights all the more hypocritical.

Well said.
 
Claim all you want. Denying there is racism in this nation, that the Voting Rights act is fairly new, that schools were segregated and very different, that wages and jobs opportunities are as equal for blacks and whites as education is, is to reveal a non-understanding of the racial inequality in this country. To claim to KNOW that, and understand that, and then claim that Wight is a racist is just proving how removed you were from the very culture you deny.

What does my revealing where i am have to do with my opinions? Oh, I see. As with blacks, you have preconceived notions about cities and states in the US.

Not only to you feel qualified to define others but you can't read. When did I say there was no racism in the U.S. Without racism the liberals would be out of business. Racism is the centerpiece of the Obama administration. Of course, that has nothing to do with hate laws. Hate laws are an instrument of the racists.

You're a bigot and a fool.
 
Not only to you feel qualified to define others but you can't read. When did I say there was no racism in the U.S. Without racism the liberals would be out of business. Racism is the centerpiece of the Obama administration. Of course, that has nothing to do with hate laws. Hate laws are an instrument of the racists.

You're a bigot and a fool.


Unsubstantiated attacks against the President are the trademark of a right winger. No wonder you boys love Romney

At Last Night's Debate: Romney Told 27 Myths In 38 Minutes | ThinkProgress

Pundits from both sides of the aisle have lauded Mitt Romney’s strong debate performance, praising his preparedness and ability to challenge President Obama’s policies and accomplishments. But Romney only accomplished this goal by repeatedly misleading viewers. He spoke for 38 minutes of the 90 minute debate and told at least 27 myths:
 
Would be useful if you gave some examples.
I mean,is anyone forcing you to marry someone of the same sex or have an abortion?
Is anyone putting a gun to your head and say "Believe in Evolution or I'll pull the trigger"?
Is anyone trying to put a ballgag in your mouth whenever you try to pray?
Is someone breaking into your house and stealing your bible?A
re people barring access to your local church?
Nope, not yet. That all comes later. We're just dealing with ridicule and character assassination, right now. Sarah Palin's experience would be an excellent resource for you to study up on.

We can discuss this further after radical Leftists pick up their beat sticks and take it to the Christians .... all in the name of "Tolerance". ;)
 
Um okay. Not sure how this is relevant to my post, but welcome to the debate.
In evading the issue, you yourself are using the No True Logician fallacy. According to your Scotsman's type flipflopping, a logician, who as an academic follows elitist humiliation of the majority, would not be following the purpose of his craft if he used his logic to prove the illegitimate power of fellow elitists on the Supreme Court, so we won't count that in demonstrating fallacies. He can only comment on silly and bizarre examples and never let his students apply logic to controversial and important cases.

I am pro-choice, but I resent the Supreme Court deciding what I'd rather have the political power to vote on myself. And even though I am an atheist, I don't support their decisions on separating religion from the public, since I see it as a cultural thing, no more theocratic than naming our planets after Roman gods.

And with the decisions I agree with; that's how they sucker us in. Even in Marbury, these power-hungry political appointees played cutesy. After awarding themselves with the final say on the non-judicial legislative process, their first decision was to state that they didn't have the power to judge Madison's appointment, saying that only President Jefferson had that power. What a sneaky trick to make people think they wouldn't abuse judicial review, which has no right to exist in the first place.
 
He brings the intangibles. We'll see if Manning can get the Broncos to the playoffs.
Now that the subject is football, let me run it further off topic because I wonder why the Mannings, whose father was a millionaire former NFL player, got any college scholarships at all. When, as a National Merit scholar, I had to fill out a statement of my parents' income to see if I qualified, I realized that people equally talented in sports had no such selection restriction. It shows why our country is in the condition it is in when if a high-school kid is equally talented in sports and academics, his best move would be to forget the books and concentrate all his effort on perfecting his athletic skills. Pitiful and literally an insult to intelligence.
 
Pitiful and literally an insult to intelligence.

UF is famous for student-athletes. I'm sure you'll find Tebow's participation, grades and major to be legit.

In 2010-11, 222 University of Florida student-athletes earned spots on SEC Academic or SEC First-Year Academic Honor Rolls. UF is the only SEC school to place 100 or more student-athletes on the Academic Honor Roll each of the last 14 years. The SEC annually selects an Academic Honor Roll for each team that honors student-athletes who have posted cumulative 3.0 grade point averages for the previous academic year.

UF posted a Graduation Success Rate of 82 percent in 2010 NCAA Federal Graduation Rate Data – three points above the national average. Of the top 10 programs in the 2010-11 Learfield Sports Director’s Cup Standings, Florida is one of five to post a GSR of 82 percent or higher in 2010. All Gator teams are in good academic standing in latest Academic Progress Report released late in May.

http://www.ufl.edu/campus-life/athletics-recreation/
 
Lets get back to the topic of the thread.........If you want to talk sports use the right forum...Thank you
 
Lets get back to the topic of the thread.........If you want to talk sports use the right forum...Thank you
Barack Hussein Obama is soft on Islam, appeasing that clear and present danger in the name of a multiculturalist Neverneverland. Practicing Christians are as threatened by this jihad posing as a religion as much as Israeli Jews are. It will be fatal to focus on peacetime discussions about things like abortion when your religion is in a state of war. Your leaders too are appeasers if they don't call for another Crusade to defend the faith from a far worse threat than the secularist agenda.
 
Barack Hussein Obama is soft on Islam, appeasing that clear and present danger in the name of a multiculturalist Neverneverland. Practicing Christians are as threatened by this jihad posing as a religion as much as Israeli Jews are. It will be fatal to focus on peacetime discussions about things like abortion when your religion is in a state of war. Your leaders too are appeasers if they don't call for another Crusade to defend the faith from a far worse threat than the secularist agenda.

Thank you Richard the Lionheart. Another crusade eh? How did that all work out for you western, catholic good ol' boys? Completely ridded the Middle East of Moslem influence for about, ooh let's see, 30 years, from 1097 to 1127. I think you're onto a winner there, Prom.
 
Barack Hussein Obama is soft on Islam, appeasing that clear and present danger in the name of a multiculturalist Neverneverland. Practicing Christians are as threatened by this jihad posing as a religion as much as Israeli Jews are. It will be fatal to focus on peacetime discussions about things like abortion when your religion is in a state of war. Your leaders too are appeasers if they don't call for another Crusade to defend the faith from a far worse threat than the secularist agenda.

I totally agree Obama is very soft on Islam......Every time you turn around he is apologizing for the USA to them....I wonder why that is? Maybe some lefty can elaborate why?
 
Thank you Richard the Lionheart. Another crusade eh? How did that all work out for you western, catholic good ol' boys? Completely ridded the Middle East of Moslem influence for about, ooh let's see, 30 years, from 1097 to 1127. I think you're onto a winner there, Prom.
That wasn't what was vitally beneficial about the Crusades, which stopped the second jihad and delayed the invasion of Europe until 1453. The Crusaders' heroic sacrifice bought time for Europe to recover from the stagnancy of the Middle Ages. It is significant but ignored by the contemptible contemporary intellectual authorities that the third jihad peaked on September 11,1683 and lost every predatory attempt at conquest after that. It is a sign of our self-hating times that someone from Spain is ashamed of the Spanish wars of liberation from Islam, preventing today's Spaniards from living like Afghans.

Eisenhower called his account of his World War II experiences Crusade in Europe. With the Orwellian "Newspeak" perversion of language today, that title would look like he was referring to the Nazis! After the second September 11, we all should be proud to call ourselves Crusaders.
 
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