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Should Christians support Obama?

Should Christians support Obama?

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That there's a heathen.
 
obvious Child said:
This is a poorly veiled Scotsman argument.

Let's spam his poll just to annoy him.
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I like the fact that Wikkie included "begging the question," which has been misdefined as "which leads to the question" by the ambitious imbecile Dipolomaed Dumboes who think that their skimming college education makes them role models on language use. Despite what the media say, "Begging the Question" (petitio principii, "appealing to what must be proved as if it had already been proved") is exemplified in arguments such as "God wouldn't allow us to believe in Him if He didn't exist" or--

WARNING: THIS IS NOT WHAT YOU'VE BEEN TOLD BY EVERYBODY ALL YOUR LIFE, SO RUN AWAY BEFORE YOUR BRAIN EXPLODES

--Marbury v. Madison in which the Supreme Court interpreted the Constitution as giving it the right to interpret the Constitution.
 
Muddy Creek said:
Your god is "evangelized" all over the world, is he not? God is worldwide friendly. And Christ demanded to love everyone....
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God is world wide evangelized, and so is Secularism. Christ commands us to love one another. He does not command us to love Secular values. I embrace Christianity, and I want to live in a country that embraces these values.

Muddy Creek said:
This is a secular society. We allow religion to be practiced, but it is not how we run our nation. Don't like that? Feel free to start a nation of your religion elsewhere.
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Nah, I believe in this country too much to let runaway heathenism hijack it. I'm in this for the long haul ;)
 
Dooble said:
Not my God. He is for all those who support His Son.

Actually it's more like Secularists are imposing their beliefs on us, and it's certainly not time for that! ;)
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Would be useful if you gave some examples.
I mean,is anyone forcing you to marry someone of the same sex or have an abortion?
Is anyone putting a gun to your head and say "Believe in Evolution or I'll pull the trigger"?
Is anyone trying to put a ballgag in your mouth whenever you try to pray?
Is someone breaking into your house and stealing your bible?A
re people barring access to your local church?


Other than "those Evil Secularists are imposing their belief that I don't have the right to impose their beliefs on others" just how are beliefs being imposed on you.

Here is an example of "imposition".
The company I own has a number of restaurants,a large catering company,and several banquet halls.The wedding industry is a 40 billion dollar a year industry.

I average 5-6 million dollars a year from wedding receptions,catering,etc.
Lets be honest,people are more willing to spend the average 25 grand on a "wedding" rather than on a "civil union ceremony".

If SSM were to become legal,I stand to make a few extra hundred thousand a year.Money I can use to expand my business and hire more people.
Why should I be prevented from making that money just because YOUR God doesn't like homosexaulity.
My god has no problem with it,and neither do I.
I want gay people to use my catering company to feed the guests in their wedding.I want them to to have their wedding receptions in my banquet halls.


Aren't people who are actively opposing SSM imposing their beliefs on me by trying to deny me the right to make an extra few hundred grand because they don't believe gays should get married?
 
Dooble said:
God is world wide evangelized, and so is Secularism. Christ commands us to love one another. He does not command us to love Secular values. I embrace Christianity, and I want to live in a country that embraces these values.
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Well,who's stopping you from moving into one?
Dooble said:
Nah, I believe in this country too much to let runaway heathenism hijack it. I'm in this for the long haul ;)
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I believe in this country too much to let runaway religion hijack it. I'm in this for the long haul.
I've done quite alright for myself and my family the way things are now.
 
Christians presumably pursue living lives consistent with biblical teaching. That's not to say they'll always do it perfectly but it is their pursuit. The bible teaches Christian's to pray for government leaders with the understanding that when these leaders make leadership decisions inconsistent with biblical principles very often they do so facing outside negative influences. The example used of a government leader who needs loving prayer was the guy running the county Christians lived in when the New Testament was being written. That leader was throwing Christians onto the field with wild animals at the Roman colosseum for sport, something Obama would never dream of doing.
 
I voted no, but only because I don't think anyone should be voting for him ;)

I really couldn't care less about Christianity.
 
PrometheusBound said:
I like the fact that Wikkie included "begging the question," which has been misdefined as "which leads to the question" by the ambitious imbecile Dipolomaed Dumboes who think that their skimming college education makes them role models on language use. Despite what the media say, "Begging the Question" (petitio principii, "appealing to what must be proved as if it had already been proved") is exemplified in arguments such as "God wouldn't allow us to believe in Him if He didn't exist" or--

WARNING: THIS IS NOT WHAT YOU'VE BEEN TOLD BY EVERYBODY ALL YOUR LIFE, SO RUN AWAY BEFORE YOUR BRAIN EXPLODES
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Um okay. Not sure how this is relevant to my post, but welcome to the debate.
 
FluffyNinja said:
I do accept the trinity; but if you understand the nature of Christ, you also know that Christ brought a "new law" and a "new gospel."
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You mean someone's interpretation of that. Like it or not, essentially all old religions are built on heresy.

My emphasis on the "Church figure"........which is why I rarely subscribe strictly to "church doctrine"............ only to Christ's doctrine. If Christ were to return today, I doubt very seriously that there is ANY "Christian" church to which he'd claim membership. :shrug:
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That doesn't address my point. Christ's doctrine has been decided by other people. They made their interpretation as to what was canonical and what was not. You are just as subject to the problems of interpretation as those you judge. While I would agree that if Christ would return he would not follow any particular flavor, it does not change the fact that what you call Christ's doctrine was written by other people, chosen by other people and interpreted by other people before your great, great, great, great, great, great grandfather was born. You claim to follow Christ's doctrine, but you are in the same boat as every other Christian.

Christ, himself, would probably disagree here.
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Christ would also have the power of all knowing. Furthermore, he would actually know his own doctrine rather then everyone else following some interpretation of it. Neither you nor I are Christ, and we do not have those powers to objectively decide who is and who is not. Hence why I stick to my original point. If you accept that Christ is your Lord and Savior, you are a Christian. Everything else is debatable. Hence why I will never declare someone who accepts Christ not to be a Christian merely if I disagree with their actions or belief. I may and will call them a terrible example of a Christian, but I will never on my own authority, declare them not a Christian. That is reserved for Christ. And only Christ.

Whether or not YOU consider them Christians is of no significance. Generally speaking, (and from strictly a NT perspective) Christ never appeard to be too fond of hypocricy among his "followers." :shrug:
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Okay, then why do you think you have the right to declare who is and who is not?
 
I'm an atheist and a conservative and I don't think anyone should vote for President Obama. I don't consider religion an issue since I do not believe President Obama is a Christian or a Muslim and he's clearly not a Jew. The church he attended for 20 years and the preacher he considers a mentor preached racial hate, hate of the U.S. and socialism. President Obama cannot, apparently, conceive of any being greater than Barack Obama.
 
Patrickt said:
I'm an atheist and a conservative and I don't think anyone should vote for President Obama. I don't consider religion an issue since I do not believe President Obama is a Christian or a Muslim and he's clearly not a Jew. The church he attended for 20 years and the preacher he considers a mentor preached racial hate, hate of the U.S. and socialism. President Obama cannot, apparently, conceive of any being greater than Barack Obama.
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You definitely are not an atheist, IMHO. You have no CLUE about what Wright was preaching as you live in MExico and don't understand our racial culture at all.
 
Dooble said:
God is world wide evangelized, and so is Secularism. Christ commands us to love one another. He does not command us to love Secular values. I embrace Christianity, and I want to live in a country that embraces these values.

Nah, I believe in this country too much to let runaway heathenism hijack it. I'm in this for the long haul ;)
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This is a secular nation brought down as a leader in human rights by the political cult of born again evangelism out to destroy not only the secular nation and government, but Christianity as well. The lack of care for the poor, the destruction of the middle class and they willful taking from programs for the poor to give more tax break for the rich is NOt, my good person, a Christian. Your cult does NOT care about this nation as it applauds the lower educational standards creating a work force only capable of slave wage jobs the republicans will let China provide.

Republicans HAVE no Christian values. Only the secular humanist values which embrace those which are the same as Christ's values, are taking care of the poor, the disabled, the ones the republicans call the "47%" which Romney pays no attention to.
 
Muddy Creek said:
:lol:

Well, you have to admit, he's not doing very well.
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Last year with the Broncos, he took over a team in the sewer and made it to the playoffs. 1700 yards passing and 660 running, in half a season.
 
Smeagol said:
Christians presumably pursue living lives consistent with biblical teaching. That's not to say they'll always do it perfectly but it is their pursuit. The bible teaches Christian's to pray for government leaders with the understanding that when these leaders make leadership decisions inconsistent with biblical principles very often they do so facing outside negative influences. The example used of a government leader who needs loving prayer was the guy running the county Christians lived in when the New Testament was being written. That leader was throwing Christians onto the field with wild animals at the Roman colosseum for sport, something Obama would never dream of doing.
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Nah, the CHRISTIAN bible tells people to separate church from state in Christ's demand to "render unto Caesar what is Caesar's and unto God what is God's"

Your born again evangelical cult wants to mix government and religion. That's not Christianity.
 
ecofarm said:
Last year with the Broncos, he took over a team in the sewer and made it to the playoffs. 1700 yards passing and 660 running, in half a season.
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Last year. And now with the Jets?
 
Muddy Creek said:
Last year. And now with the Jets?
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He's played about 5 plays, and got the first downs they needed? He's the bast back-up qb in the league, and he might be a starter in the right configuration. Some people want him to start instead of Sanchez.
 
ecofarm said:
He's played about 5 plays, and got the first downs they needed? He's the bast back-up qb in the league, and he might be a starter in the right configuration.
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Come on. The best he'll be is a back-up, my friend. Indiana looking better to you all the time? How about Purdue with Drew Brees?
 
Muddy Creek said:
Come on. The best he'll be is a back-up, my friend. Indiana looking better to you all the time? How about Purdue with Drew Brees?
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He brings the intangibles. We'll see if Manning can get the Broncos to the playoffs.
 
ecofarm said:
He brings the intangibles. We'll see if Manning can get the Broncos to the playoffs.
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I don't know about Manning. The guy had a serious injury. He did so much for the Colts and Indianapolis. I hope he can. I just don't see how.
 
Muddy Creek said:
You definitely are not an atheist, IMHO. You have no CLUE about what Wright was preaching as you live in MExico and don't understand our racial culture at all.
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I most certainly am an atheist and you have no standing to say I'm not. And, I was born and raised in the U.S. and moved to Mexico when I retired. I don't know what "your" racial culture is but mine is as an American and my experience in that culture exceeds yours.

Rev. Wright and his protege are racist and are socialists. Black Liberation Theology is racist and socialist.

I wonder why your location is a secret. Actually, almost everything about you is a secret. Shame is a terrible burden. California? That would be embarrassing. Chicago? That would be pretty bad, too.
 
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Muddy Creek said:
I was Christian and notice you failed to understand that god is for abortion and Christ never spoke out against it.
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"The things people say"....lol
In the Bible, there are but several hundred words from Christ...
"god" is for nothing, I cannot say he exists or he does not...
TTBOMK, our "Mr Christ" established no church...even if he did...what kind of shape would it be in, after 2,000 years ?
 
pbrauer said:
Do "Christians" believe in invading a country like Iraq killing hundreds of thousands of civilians even though Iraq didn't invade the US? Should Christians have voted for George W. Bush in 2004?
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So you think we should vote for anti-colonialists like Obama?
 
johnny_rebson said:
So you think we should vote for anti-colonialists like Obama?
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:lamo
I love how "anti-colonialist" has suddenly become a dirty word on the bat**** fringe right. Are you saying you are pro-colonialism? :mrgreen:
 
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