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Should Christians support Obama?

Should Christians support Obama?

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Navy Pride

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Since Obama disagrees with most of the things he believes in like SSM, abortion any time including partial birth should Christians vote for him?
 
You're assuming of course all Christians believe the exact same thing.

This is not true.

Edit: Bugger I chose the wrong option.
 
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Navy Pride said:
Since Obama disagrees with most of the things he believes in like SSM, abortion any time including partial birth should Christians vote for him?
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As a Christian, I will say that, personally, I do not take most social/moral issues into consideration when voting for president. If I were choosing a candidate based on moral/social issues, unless Christ himself, Mother Theresa, or Gandhi returned, sadly.......there really aren't many left in the "field" of candidates who are up to par.

That being said, there are really only three issues which I take into consideration when deciding whether or not to support a candidate:
(1) Will his/her policies promote economic growth?
(2) Will his/her policies promote price stability and strengthen the US dollar?
(3) Will his/her policies promote higher employment?

I must score Obama's policies highly UNSATISFACTORY in all three areas; therefore......................no, I will not be voting for Hussein Obama..........but it has little or nothing to do with me being a Christian. :shrug:
 
obvious Child said:
And you know this how?

You are applying your views as if the majority of Christians believe them without first confirming that.
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I think this is fairly obvious..........Christians (at least those who actually follow the teachings of Christ and the New Testament), by definition, would be opposed to SSM and abortion. You're acting as if this is not common knowledge. :shrug:
 
FluffyNinja said:
I think this is fairly obvious..........Christians (at least those who actually follow the teachings of Christ and the New Testament), by definition, would be opposed to SSM and abortion. You're acting as if this is not common knowledge. :shrug:
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I know plenty of Christians who aren't opposed to SSM. I can't say the same for abortion, though.
 
Das Sozialist said:
I know plenty of Christians who aren't opposed to SSM. I can't say the same for abortion, though.
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Perhaps you know many people who are self-proclaimed "Christians" or who simply attend/belong to churches which are founded on "Christian doctrine?" There is quite a difference between Christians and those who've simply adopted the title for convenience or for political expediency. :shrug:
 
FluffyNinja said:
As a Christian, I will say that, personally, I do not take most social/moral issues into consideration when voting for president. If I were choosing a candidate based on moral/social issues, unless Christ himself, Mother Theresa, or Gandhi returned, sadly.......there really aren't many left in the "field" of candidates who are up to par.

That being said, there are really only three issues which I take into consideration when deciding whether or not to support a candidate:
(1) Will his/her policies promote economic growth?
(2) Will his/her policies promote price stability and strengthen the US dollar?
(3) Will his/her policies promote higher employment?

I must score Obama's policies highly UNSATISFACTORY in all three areas; therefore......................no, I will not be voting for Hussein Obama..........but it has little or nothing to do with me being a Christian. :shrug:
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That is your opinion and I respect it..........As a Christian myself social issues like murdering babies in the womb even in the 3rd trimester is very importaant to me and most Christians.....................
 
Navy Pride said:
Since Obama disagrees with most of the things he believes in like SSM, abortion any time including partial birth should Christians vote for him?
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Do "Christians" believe in invading a country like Iraq killing hundreds of thousands of civilians even though Iraq didn't invade the US? Should Christians have voted for George W. Bush in 2004?
 
There's no "should" in this, people "can" support who they want.

Also, this poll makes it seem as if all Christians share the same political views, which is far from the truth. Anyway, there's no obligation for Christians to support Obama, Romney, or any other candidate.
 
pbrauer said:
Do "Christians" believe in invading a country like Iraq killing hundreds of thousands of civilians even though Iraq didn't invade the US? Should Christians have voted for George W. Bush in 2004?
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I don't care. Shooting at planes after an unconditional surrender is not a good idea.
 
There are a number of Christian religions that support Same sex marriage and a woman's choice for an early abortion.

Who is pro-choice and religious?

Denominations with official and long-standing pro-choice positions include the Presbyterian Church (USA), the Episcopal Church, the United Methodist Church, the United Church of Christ, the Unitarian Universalist Association of Congregations, and Reform and Conservative Judaism. These organizations have a diversity of views about abortion and recognize it as a morally complex decision that must be made by the person most affected--the woman.


Among religious groups, the pro-choice position is nuanced, recognizing that most people believe abortion--as well as bearing children-are matters for individual conscience, not government or religious mandate.

Pro-choice denominations don't seek to impose their views on others or to make them law.
They recognize that in our pluralistic society, politicians must not be allowed to impose laws about childbearing based on any particular belief about when life begins.
The notion that life begins at the moment of conception is a belief held by some, but not all, religious groups.
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The Jewish religion and many Christian religions do not feel that ensoulment occurs at the time of conception they feel it happens later in the pregnancy or at the time of birth.

Religious Liberty. Religious Americans honor the dignity and value of all human life but recognize that different religious traditions hold a variety of views regarding when life begins and when ensoulment occurs.

In this nation all are free to live according to their consciences and religious beliefs.

No one religious philosophy should govern the law for all Americans.


In conclusion, being pro-choice is not being pro-abortion. Bishop Melvin Talbert of the United Methodist Church put it this way in a 1996 sermon: "In reality, there are many of us who believe that choice is the most logical and the most responsible position any religious institution can take on this issue. My sisters and brothers, we are dealing with something that is deeply spiritual and cannot be left to those who would choose to politicize this issue and further victimize those who must ultimately decide for themselves."
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Read more:

The Biblical Basis for Being Pro-Choice: Bible, abortion, Christians, religion - Beliefnet.com
 
Definitive word in your information is CHRISTIAN. Born again evangelicals were created to pull for the republican party and make the rich richer by believing the bogus wedge issues.

BTW, did you know there is NOT anti-abortion in the Christian bible nor did Christ say anything negative about gays?
 
Navy Pride said:
That is your opinion and I respect it..........As a Christian myself social issues like murdering babies in the womb even in the 3rd trimester is very importaant to me and most Christians.....................
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I agree with you here Navy. Most Christians (even the ones who just lay claim to the title) do consider these things to be important when voting. As for me though,........when it comes to their moral stances on social issues......I don't trust ANY politicians, on either side of the fence. When the first thing a politician says is "I'm a Christian and I'll stand up for .........." the first thing I generally do is begin to doubt their sincerity. :shrug:

As far as your poll, and Obama, I'd guess, based on his stances and his hypocrisy thus far......most of the "Christian crowd" would not cast their vote for him.......if they were actually casting their vote based on these two issues.
 
pbrauer said:
Do "Christians" believe in invading a country like Iraq killing hundreds of thousands of civilians even though Iraq didn't invade the US? Should Christians have voted for George W. Bush in 2004?
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Yes if that country poses a threat with WMD and has said he will use them on the jewish state and you... Everyone thought he had WMD and 85 senators over to allow the invasion.....
 
pbrauer said:
Do "Christians" believe in invading a country like Iraq killing hundreds of thousands of civilians even though Iraq didn't invade the US? Should Christians have voted for George W. Bush in 2004?
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We killed "hundreds of thousands" of civilians.....as in more than 100,000? Hmmm. Interesting. I've not seen these figures reported as of yet that weren't refuted by many. :thinking
BTW. Please don't start posting body counts that have been reported by the Iraqis themselves.....we all know that accuracy in reporting isn't exactly one of their strong points. I've seen reports from 2003-2011 that range anywhere from 60,000 to nearly one million based on the source......quite a range, I'd say.

Furthermore, isn't it considered "artful dodging" to answer one question with another? Or would those versed in the art of debate call this "throwing out the ol' red herring?" :lol:
 
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Navy Pride said:
That is your opinion and I respect it..........As a Christian myself social issues like murdering babies in the womb even in the 3rd trimester is very importaant to me and most Christians.....................
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Did you know that if a fetus died naturally in the womb and is not expelled naturally the woman could get a life threatening infection?

Removal of the dead fetus is an called an abortion. Some of the numbers of abortions are fetus'es that died naturally in the womb.

Less than 1 percent of abortions take place after 21 weeks ( just past the 5 month mark).
Less than .08 take place after 24 weeks gestation.

These are the extreme cases.
They are the cases where the woman's life or irrepairable damage to a major bodily function would take place if the pregnancy were allowed to contine.
THey are cases where the fetus has died in the womb or is so malformed the fetus will be stillborn or will only live a few minutes or hours.
 
FluffyNinja said:
I think this is fairly obvious..........Christians (at least those who actually follow the teachings of Christ and the New Testament), by definition, would be opposed to SSM and abortion. You're acting as if this is not common knowledge. :shrug:
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Where did Christ say abortion was wrong? Hell, God deliberately commands the Jews to commit infanticide in the Torah.

And Augustine said that the soul enters the body at birth. Meaning a fetus is just a shell. Furthermore, I find it hard to believe that Christ would openly and deliberately discriminate against a loving couple.

Christianity is a fractured religion with people having beliefs all over the board. Frankly, the only surefire belief that all Christians share is that Christ is the Son of God and their savior. Everything else is debatable.
 
FluffyNinja said:
Perhaps you know many people who are self-proclaimed "Christians" or who simply attend/belong to churches which are founded on "Christian doctrine?" There is quite a difference between Christians and those who've simply adopted the title for convenience or for political expediency. :shrug:
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And you're walking right into a No True Scotsman Fallacy. This is dangerous ground.
 
FluffyNinja said:
Perhaps you know many people who are self-proclaimed "Christians" or who simply attend/belong to churches which are founded on "Christian doctrine?" There is quite a difference between Christians and those who've simply adopted the title for convenience or for political expediency. :shrug:
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What do you consider a real Christian?
 
FluffyNinja said:
We killed "hundreds of thousands" of civilians.....as in more than 100,000? Hmmm. Interesting. I've not seen these figures reported as of yet that weren't refuted by many. :thinking
BTW. Please don't start posting body counts that have been reported by the Iraqis themselves.....we all know that accuracy in reporting isn't exactly one of their strong points. I've seen reports from 2003-2011 that range anywhere from 60,000 to nearly one million based on the source......quite a range, I'd say.

Furthermore, isn't it considered "artful dodging" to answer one question with another? Or would those versed in the art of debate call this "throwing out the ol' red herring?" :lol:
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This report says between just over 109,000 to just over 119,000 Iraq civilians .

Iraq Body Count

The New Your Times reported that:

This month, The Associated Press reported that the Pentagon in July had quietly posted its fullest tally of the death toll of Iraqi civilians and security forces ever, numbers that were first requested in 2005 through the Freedom of Information Act. It was not clear why the total — 76,939 Iraqi civilians and members of the security forces killed between January 2004 and August 2008
was significantly less than the sum of the archive’s death count.
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http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/23/world/middleeast/23casualties.html
 
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