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    Re: Should Christians support Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    there are exceptions to every rule but the vast marjority do.
    I'd find this to be very hard to believe..
    This is NOT the nature of man.
    But if one polls a group of thoroughly brainwashed extremeist Christians.........and then presents the results to a gullable public , after omitting my unkind adjectives.........

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    Re: Should Christians support Obama?

    Here is a <SNIP> from an article titled:
    I am a prochoice Catholic
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    Finally, I am a prochoice Catholic because my Catholic faith tells me I can be. The Catechism reads, ď[Conscience] is manís most secret core and his sanctuary. There he is alone with God whose voice echoes in his depths.Ē Even St. Thomas Aquinas said it would be better to be excommunicated than to neglect your individual conscience. So really, I am just following his lead. After years of research, discernment and prayer, my conscience has been well informed. Being a prochoice Catholic does not contradict my faith; rather, in following my well-informed conscience, I am adhering to the central tenet of Catholic teaching -- the primacy of conscience.

    My hope is that together the hierarchy of the Catholic church, the antiabortion movement and the prochoice movement will help people of all faiths and no faith to develop well-informed consciences. However, this can only be done by talking about the whole picture -- from the dangers of unsafe abortion to the importance of preventing unintended pregnancy. By narrowing our focus to the legalization/illegalization of abortion, we are ignoring the realities which women and families face around the world. And thatís not serving anyone.
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    Re: Should Christians support Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    They are also ardently against Capital Punishment. Is your bible different from mine? Or are you just a Cafeteria Catholic?
    When did we begin debating capital punishment..........or is this yet another red herring on the table?
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    Re: Should Christians support Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by FluffyNinja View Post
    I think this is fairly obvious..........Christians (at least those who actually follow the teachings of Christ and the New Testament), by definition, would be opposed to SSM and abortion. You're acting as if this is not common knowledge.
    The "teachings of Christ", to the best of my knowledge do not address these things.
    His followers....then and today.....that is a different story......

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    Re: Should Christians support Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    I'd find this to be very hard to believe..
    This is NOT the nature of man.
    But if one polls a group of thoroughly brainwashed extremeist Christians.........and then presents the results to a gullable public , after omitting my unkind adjectives.........
    What does Christianity have to do with the "nature of man"?
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    Re: Should Christians support Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by FluffyNinja View Post
    When did we begin debating capital punishment..........or is this yet another red herring on the table?
    YOu obviously missed the point. Its not about Capital Punishment, its about the hypocrisy of people who claim to be "good Christians" and attack others "Christianity"...when in fact, they pick and choose what tenets they want to accept and reject the others. That's called a "Cafeteria Christian"....and the topic...afterall is whether "Christians" should support Obama.....right?
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    Re: Should Christians support Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    The "teachings of Christ", to the best of my knowledge do not address these things.
    His followers....then and today.....that is a different story......
    Matt. 19:4-9 (the words of Christ - marriage between man and woman is defined)
    Also in the books of Romans, 1Corinthians, 1Timothy, Paul relays the doctrines of Christ regarding homosexuality.

    As far as abortion goes, this is a much deeper issue, but it is obvious that Christ taught the sanctity of life. The question which will never be answered satisfactorily for either the pro-choice or pro-life crowds, is at what point life actually begins. Again, down this whole line of discussion lies madness......and that madness belongs in another forum.
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    Re: Should Christians support Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    YOu obviously missed the point. Its not about Capital Punishment, its about the hypocrisy of people who claim to be "good Christians" and attack others "Christianity"...when in fact, they pick and choose what tenets they want to accept and reject the others. That's called a "Cafeteria Christian"....and the topic...afterall is whether "Christians" should support Obama.....right?
    And you miss my point. This thread was about how so-called Christians would respond at the polls based soley on how they viewed Obama's take on SSM and abortion.

    This thread was not about the "hypocrisy of mainstream Christians,"........that was your little "friendly" addendum.
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    Re: Should Christians support Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    Since Obama disagrees with most of the things he believes in like SSM, abortion any time including partial birth should Christians vote for him?
    It's threads like these that make me glad I'm an atheist.
    Also, we need to legalize recreational drugs and prostitution.

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    Re: Should Christians support Obama?

    Pro choice is firmly grounded in Bible.
    There are Tens of millions of Cristians who are pro choice.


    Pro-choice Christians

    Today, tens of millions of American Christians are pro-choice. For the last several decades, dozens of different Christian and Jewish groups have supported ex*cellent contracep*tion, emer*gency contra*cep*tive pills and a woman’s right to choose.
    The Religious Coalition for Repro*duc*tive Choice (RCRC) repre*sents over 40 different denomina*tions and faith groups in this coun*try.
    They argue that since major re*li*gious sects in the U.S. strongly disagree among themselves on the abor*tion issue, this issue obvious*ly cannot be a “strug*gle between the God-fearing and the God*less”, as often portrayed by the anti-choice activists. RCRC surveys have found that wide*spread sup*port exists among Christ*ian and Jewish organiza*tions for repro*ductive choice, including safe, early abor*tions.[i]

    There is also a Catholic organiza*tion, Cath*olics For Free Choice.

    They empha*size that Cath*olics who are con*vinced that their conscience is correct, must follow their con*science rather than the dic*tates of the Church.[ii]
    In both France and Italy, countries which are 80-90% Catholic, abor*tion is legal and paid for by the state during the first trimester.
    Most European Catholics do not believe that an em*bryo or young fetus has the same sacred value or inalienable right to life as does a newborn.

    For pro-Christians, the Christian God is pro-choice.
    They refer to a number of relevant biblical passages to support their position.
    And since the Bible is vague about the time of ensoulment, some believe that souls can only thrive in wanted pregnancies, others that the soul can only enter fetuses after the brain and body have be*come sufficient*ly develop*ed to receive a soul. For still others, it’s when breathing becomes potentially possible.

    These pro-choice Christians believe that women are mor*ally equal to men and capable of making their own tough ethical decisions regarding abor*tion. They believe that God would not want us to try to force the eighty million women on our planet who have unplanned preg*nancies each year to stay pregnant against their will.
    By supporting choice they believe they’re do*ing God’s work by help*ing to end mas*sive debil*ita*t*ing infec*tions and excruci*a**ting deaths from il*legal abor*tions for millions of desperate women. To quote Reverend Ann Fowler, Episcopal priest, “To talk theologically about women’s rights to choose is to talk about justice, equality, health and wholeness, and respect for the full humanity and autonomy of every woman.”
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    C Rulon: Pro-Choice Christians (Supported by Biblical Passages) | Philosophy Lounge
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