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    Re: Should Christians support Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    That is your opinion and I respect it..........As a Christian myself social issues like murdering babies in the womb even in the 3rd trimester is very importaant to me and most Christians.....................
    Did you know that if a fetus died naturally in the womb and is not expelled naturally the woman could get a life threatening infection?

    Removal of the dead fetus is an called an abortion. Some of the numbers of abortions are fetus'es that died naturally in the womb.

    Less than 1 percent of abortions take place after 21 weeks ( just past the 5 month mark).
    Less than .08 take place after 24 weeks gestation.

    These are the extreme cases.
    They are the cases where the woman's life or irrepairable damage to a major bodily function would take place if the pregnancy were allowed to contine.
    THey are cases where the fetus has died in the womb or is so malformed the fetus will be stillborn or will only live a few minutes or hours.
    When it comes to matters of reproduce health, Politicians and the religious dogma of another faith should never interfere with religious liberty of an individual or her faith.

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    Re: Should Christians support Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by FluffyNinja View Post
    I think this is fairly obvious..........Christians (at least those who actually follow the teachings of Christ and the New Testament), by definition, would be opposed to SSM and abortion. You're acting as if this is not common knowledge.
    Where did Christ say abortion was wrong? Hell, God deliberately commands the Jews to commit infanticide in the Torah.

    And Augustine said that the soul enters the body at birth. Meaning a fetus is just a shell. Furthermore, I find it hard to believe that Christ would openly and deliberately discriminate against a loving couple.

    Christianity is a fractured religion with people having beliefs all over the board. Frankly, the only surefire belief that all Christians share is that Christ is the Son of God and their savior. Everything else is debatable.
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    Re: Should Christians support Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by FluffyNinja View Post
    Perhaps you know many people who are self-proclaimed "Christians" or who simply attend/belong to churches which are founded on "Christian doctrine?" There is quite a difference between Christians and those who've simply adopted the title for convenience or for political expediency.
    And you're walking right into a No True Scotsman Fallacy. This is dangerous ground.
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    Re: Should Christians support Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by FluffyNinja View Post
    Perhaps you know many people who are self-proclaimed "Christians" or who simply attend/belong to churches which are founded on "Christian doctrine?" There is quite a difference between Christians and those who've simply adopted the title for convenience or for political expediency.
    What do you consider a real Christian?

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    Re: Should Christians support Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by FluffyNinja View Post
    We killed "hundreds of thousands" of civilians.....as in more than 100,000? Hmmm. Interesting. I've not seen these figures reported as of yet that weren't refuted by many.
    BTW. Please don't start posting body counts that have been reported by the Iraqis themselves.....we all know that accuracy in reporting isn't exactly one of their strong points. I've seen reports from 2003-2011 that range anywhere from 60,000 to nearly one million based on the source......quite a range, I'd say.

    Furthermore, isn't it considered "artful dodging" to answer one question with another? Or would those versed in the art of debate call this "throwing out the ol' red herring?"
    This report says between just over 109,000 to just over 119,000 Iraq civilians .

    Iraq Body Count

    The New Your Times reported that:



    This month, The Associated Press reported that the Pentagon in July had quietly posted its fullest tally of the death toll of Iraqi civilians and security forces ever, numbers that were first requested in 2005 through the Freedom of Information Act. It was not clear why the total — 76,939 Iraqi civilians and members of the security forces killed between January 2004 and August 2008
    was significantly less than the sum of the archive’s death count.
    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/23/wo...asualties.html
    Last edited by minnie616; 10-07-12 at 10:56 PM.
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    Re: Should Christians support Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Where did Christ say abortion was wrong? Hell, God deliberately commands the Jews to commit infanticide in the Torah.
    Christ taught the sanctity of life......ALL life. the God of the OT passed judgement on his people based on the "old Law".........Christ brought a "New Way" and a "new" doctrine.......so, your point is irrelevant, at least as it applies to "Christians"......followers during the OT were not Christians.

    And Augustine said that the soul enters the body at birth. Meaning a fetus is just a shell. Furthermore, I find it hard to believe that Christ would openly and deliberately discriminate against a loving couple
    So? What's Augustine to me? I am a follower of Christ, not of St. Augustine.

    Christianity is a fractured religion with people having beliefs all over the board.
    i agree, but this is not how Christ intended it.
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    Re: Should Christians support Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by Das Sozialist View Post
    What do you consider a real Christian?
    Doesn't really matter what I consider..............you either are or are not. Giving yourself the title does not make it so. Christ's doctrines were pretty cut and dry...............you can "talk the talk".....but if you don't "walk the walk"..........you know the rest.
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    Re: Should Christians support Obama?

    interesting how every US president has claimed to be a God fearing Christian and yet their main skill is to start wars and slaughter civilians in nations that didnt harm or attack the USA.

    I cant seem to find anything in the Gospels or the life of Christ that suggests militant and criminal behaviour is fundamental to Christian morals. In fact, I can only see things such as "turning the other cheek" or rich people not entering the kingdom of God (something about a camel and a needle)

    I can only explain this by assuming that every US president has lied about being a Christian OR they havent read the Gospels.

    (1.4 million dead Iraqi civilians and 350,000 dead Afgans seem to fit in with basic Christian morals and compassion)

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    Re: Should Christians support Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by FluffyNinja View Post
    Doesn't really matter what I consider..............you either are or are not. Giving yourself the title does not make it so. Christ's doctrines were pretty cut and dry...............you can "talk the talk".....but if you don't "walk the walk"..........you know the rest.
    By doctrines you mean the Bible, correct?

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    Re: Should Christians support Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by minnie616 View Post
    This report says between just over 109,000 to just over 119,000 Iraq civilians .

    Iraq Body Count
    Yes.....one source. There are hundreds of others and the numbers vary greatly from report-to-report. Try hashing through them all and come up with an accurate figure.

    Oh, and btw....you may want to start another thread or go revisit one that's been long-since necroed because it could go on a while. I'm not really interested in entering a "duel of source quoting" with you tonight.
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