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    Re: Should Christians support Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by lyons19901 View Post
    SSM is for more for legal equality then anything else. i fail to see why a christian would be against it.(even though many are)
    i mean its not like it would be a blessed union just a legally recognized one.
    I did not not say that I was "against it." You misread me. I don't really care if the the govt. legalizes SSM or not......it has no bearing whatsoever on my faith or in no way "detracts" from my own marriage. I believe that there are "legal" marriages and then there are "spiritual" marriages. Both can be, and quite often are, mutually exclusive. It should not be the role of Christians to try and dictate to the govt what "legal" marriage should consist of. I know.....amazing, right.........that a "religious zealot" like me could be so open-minded?

    If those who are so quick to stereotype Christians or "evangelicals" would be a bit more "open" themselves, they might see that not all Christians are out with the pitchforks and axes raging to bring down their cherished institutions.........some of us are content just living our own lives and haven't necessarily made it our life's ambition to proselytize.

    As far as homosexuality goes......yes, being a Christian, of course I believe it's a sin......but no worse than any other sin that I, or any other Christian may commit each and every day. This is why I choose not to "cast stones."
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    Re: Should Christians support Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by Das Sozialist View Post
    I know plenty of Christians who aren't opposed to SSM. I can't say the same for abortion, though.
    Ditto, but then I don't know anyone who supports the right to choose who is in favour of abortions.
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    Re: Should Christians support Obama?

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    Ditto, but then I don't know anyone who supports the right to choose who is in favour of abortions.

    Christ never spoke out against abortion, but I know what you mean. Giving the RIGHT to an abortion is NOT being in favor of abortion. I don't know the lives of desperation women go through for their decisions. And it's not my place to limit their choices.
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    Re: Should Christians support Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    Fluffy, if you believe that homosexuality is a "sin", then further discussion is a waste, much as a discussion between a fence post and a wall.

    I have read Matthew 19.....
    Not one word about SSM...rather "God does not like divorce" is the topic, among others.
    SSM is a more recent discussed phenomena.
    There is so much that the Bible does not even bring up...and for good reason.
    AS to "Christians" supporting President Obama, why not ??
    I find Mr Obama far closer to the teachings of Jesus than Mr Romney. For one, Jesus would have sympathy for the homosexual....as this is, in fact a type of disorder(IMO)
    Yes, in the book of Matthew, Christ defines Godly (spiritual) marriage as a union between man and woman.
    There was no exception explicitly made for transvestitism, hermaphroditism, nor for transgenders; therefore, I think his words were quite clear on the matter.

    I don't care if Christians vote for Obama or not. I don't trust politicians.....ANY of them.......regardless of political affiliation, and ESPECIALLY those who publicly claim to espouse "Christian" principals. Hypocrisy doth run rampant during an election season!
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    Re: Should Christians support Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by Muddy Creek View Post
    Christ never spoke out against abortion, but I know what you mean. Giving the RIGHT to an abortion is NOT being in favor of abortion. I don't know the lives of desperation women go through for their decisions. And it's not my place to limit their choices.
    When abortion was totally illegal, was the sum of human misery caused by unwanted pregnancies greater or less? I think that one's position on the subject can be determined largely by one's belief in the answer to that question.
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    Re: Should Christians support Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    Since Obama disagrees with most of the things he believes in like SSM, abortion any time including partial birth should Christians vote for him?
    Most? What is the entire list of what Christians believe?

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    Re: Should Christians support Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    When abortion was totally illegal, was the sum of human misery caused by unwanted pregnancies greater or less? I think that one's position on the subject can be determined largely by one's belief in the answer to that question.
    I think the difference is really more focused on the rights of women to choose when to have a baby, how many babies to have and by whom. The coupling of stopping birth control with abortions by the right wing born again evangelicals is key. NOT wanting to have birth control available indicates a desire to put women in their place under the heels of men making decisions for them on their reproductive organs. Allowing abortions and birth control allows a woman to be a human being and not a slave.
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    Re: Should Christians support Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by Muddy Creek View Post
    I think the difference is really more focused on the rights of women to choose when to have a baby, how many babies to have and by whom. The coupling of stopping birth control with abortions by the right wing born again evangelicals is key. NOT wanting to have birth control available indicates a desire to put women in their place under the heels of men making decisions for them on their reproductive organs. Allowing abortions and birth control allows a woman to be a human being and not a slave.
    You're right, of course. I would put that demeaning, 'traditional' subservient position of women as a very real component of human misery. It always seems ironic that those on the control side of the argument are often those who decry Islamism for treating women like a man's property. That they are correct in that makes their ultra-conservative stance on reproductive rights all the more hypocritical.
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    Re: Should Christians support Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    You're right, of course. I would put that demeaning, 'traditional' subservient position of women as a very real component of human misery. It always seems ironic that those on the control side of the argument are often those who decry Islamism for treating women like a man's property. That they are correct in that makes their ultra-conservative stance on reproductive rights all the more hypocritical.
    Well said.
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    Re: Should Christians support Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by Muddy Creek View Post
    Claim all you want. Denying there is racism in this nation, that the Voting Rights act is fairly new, that schools were segregated and very different, that wages and jobs opportunities are as equal for blacks and whites as education is, is to reveal a non-understanding of the racial inequality in this country. To claim to KNOW that, and understand that, and then claim that Wight is a racist is just proving how removed you were from the very culture you deny.

    What does my revealing where i am have to do with my opinions? Oh, I see. As with blacks, you have preconceived notions about cities and states in the US.
    Not only to you feel qualified to define others but you can't read. When did I say there was no racism in the U.S. Without racism the liberals would be out of business. Racism is the centerpiece of the Obama administration. Of course, that has nothing to do with hate laws. Hate laws are an instrument of the racists.

    You're a bigot and a fool.

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