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    Re: Should Christians support Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
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    Australian social scientist, quoted by Noam Chomsky in World Orders Old and New

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    Re: Should Christians support Obama?

    That there's a heathen.

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    Re: Should Christians support Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    This is a poorly veiled Scotsman argument.

    Let's spam his poll just to annoy him.
    I like the fact that Wikkie included "begging the question," which has been misdefined as "which leads to the question" by the ambitious imbecile Dipolomaed Dumboes who think that their skimming college education makes them role models on language use. Despite what the media say, "Begging the Question" (petitio principii, "appealing to what must be proved as if it had already been proved") is exemplified in arguments such as "God wouldn't allow us to believe in Him if He didn't exist" or--

    WARNING: THIS IS NOT WHAT YOU'VE BEEN TOLD BY EVERYBODY ALL YOUR LIFE, SO RUN AWAY BEFORE YOUR BRAIN EXPLODES

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    Re: Should Christians support Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by Muddy Creek View Post
    Your god is "evangelized" all over the world, is he not? God is worldwide friendly. And Christ demanded to love everyone....
    God is world wide evangelized, and so is Secularism. Christ commands us to love one another. He does not command us to love Secular values. I embrace Christianity, and I want to live in a country that embraces these values.

    Quote Originally Posted by Muddy Creek View Post
    This is a secular society. We allow religion to be practiced, but it is not how we run our nation. Don't like that? Feel free to start a nation of your religion elsewhere.
    Nah, I believe in this country too much to let runaway heathenism hijack it. I'm in this for the long haul

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    Re: Should Christians support Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dooble View Post
    Not my God. He is for all those who support His Son.

    Actually it's more like Secularists are imposing their beliefs on us, and it's certainly not time for that!
    Would be useful if you gave some examples.
    I mean,is anyone forcing you to marry someone of the same sex or have an abortion?
    Is anyone putting a gun to your head and say "Believe in Evolution or I'll pull the trigger"?
    Is anyone trying to put a ballgag in your mouth whenever you try to pray?
    Is someone breaking into your house and stealing your bible?A
    re people barring access to your local church?


    Other than "those Evil Secularists are imposing their belief that I don't have the right to impose their beliefs on others" just how are beliefs being imposed on you.

    Here is an example of "imposition".
    The company I own has a number of restaurants,a large catering company,and several banquet halls.The wedding industry is a 40 billion dollar a year industry.

    I average 5-6 million dollars a year from wedding receptions,catering,etc.
    Lets be honest,people are more willing to spend the average 25 grand on a "wedding" rather than on a "civil union ceremony".

    If SSM were to become legal,I stand to make a few extra hundred thousand a year.Money I can use to expand my business and hire more people.
    Why should I be prevented from making that money just because YOUR God doesn't like homosexaulity.
    My god has no problem with it,and neither do I.
    I want gay people to use my catering company to feed the guests in their wedding.I want them to to have their wedding receptions in my banquet halls.


    Aren't people who are actively opposing SSM imposing their beliefs on me by trying to deny me the right to make an extra few hundred grand because they don't believe gays should get married?

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    Re: Should Christians support Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dooble View Post
    God is world wide evangelized, and so is Secularism. Christ commands us to love one another. He does not command us to love Secular values. I embrace Christianity, and I want to live in a country that embraces these values.
    Well,who's stopping you from moving into one?
    Quote Originally Posted by Dooble View Post
    Nah, I believe in this country too much to let runaway heathenism hijack it. I'm in this for the long haul
    I believe in this country too much to let runaway religion hijack it. I'm in this for the long haul.
    I've done quite alright for myself and my family the way things are now.

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    Re: Should Christians support Obama?

    Christians presumably pursue living lives consistent with biblical teaching. That's not to say they'll always do it perfectly but it is their pursuit. The bible teaches Christian's to pray for government leaders with the understanding that when these leaders make leadership decisions inconsistent with biblical principles very often they do so facing outside negative influences. The example used of a government leader who needs loving prayer was the guy running the county Christians lived in when the New Testament was being written. That leader was throwing Christians onto the field with wild animals at the Roman colosseum for sport, something Obama would never dream of doing.
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    Re: Should Christians support Obama?

    I voted no, but only because I don't think anyone should be voting for him

    I really couldn't care less about Christianity.

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    Re: Should Christians support Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by PrometheusBound View Post
    I like the fact that Wikkie included "begging the question," which has been misdefined as "which leads to the question" by the ambitious imbecile Dipolomaed Dumboes who think that their skimming college education makes them role models on language use. Despite what the media say, "Begging the Question" (petitio principii, "appealing to what must be proved as if it had already been proved") is exemplified in arguments such as "God wouldn't allow us to believe in Him if He didn't exist" or--

    WARNING: THIS IS NOT WHAT YOU'VE BEEN TOLD BY EVERYBODY ALL YOUR LIFE, SO RUN AWAY BEFORE YOUR BRAIN EXPLODES
    Um okay. Not sure how this is relevant to my post, but welcome to the debate.
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    Re: Should Christians support Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by FluffyNinja View Post
    I do accept the trinity; but if you understand the nature of Christ, you also know that Christ brought a "new law" and a "new gospel."
    You mean someone's interpretation of that. Like it or not, essentially all old religions are built on heresy.

    My emphasis on the "Church figure"........which is why I rarely subscribe strictly to "church doctrine"............ only to Christ's doctrine. If Christ were to return today, I doubt very seriously that there is ANY "Christian" church to which he'd claim membership.
    That doesn't address my point. Christ's doctrine has been decided by other people. They made their interpretation as to what was canonical and what was not. You are just as subject to the problems of interpretation as those you judge. While I would agree that if Christ would return he would not follow any particular flavor, it does not change the fact that what you call Christ's doctrine was written by other people, chosen by other people and interpreted by other people before your great, great, great, great, great, great grandfather was born. You claim to follow Christ's doctrine, but you are in the same boat as every other Christian.

    Christ, himself, would probably disagree here.
    Christ would also have the power of all knowing. Furthermore, he would actually know his own doctrine rather then everyone else following some interpretation of it. Neither you nor I are Christ, and we do not have those powers to objectively decide who is and who is not. Hence why I stick to my original point. If you accept that Christ is your Lord and Savior, you are a Christian. Everything else is debatable. Hence why I will never declare someone who accepts Christ not to be a Christian merely if I disagree with their actions or belief. I may and will call them a terrible example of a Christian, but I will never on my own authority, declare them not a Christian. That is reserved for Christ. And only Christ.

    Whether or not YOU consider them Christians is of no significance. Generally speaking, (and from strictly a NT perspective) Christ never appeard to be too fond of hypocricy among his "followers."
    Okay, then why do you think you have the right to declare who is and who is not?
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