View Poll Results: Does An American Have Freedom Of Science?

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  • No; there are limits to religious freedom when that is contradicted by science

    5 19.23%
  • Science cannot limit an American's freedom of religion

    7 26.92%
  • Sometimes. Kids should be taught whatever their parents want, but not abused.

    2 7.69%
  • I think my religion explains the world and I have no use for science

    0 0%
  • What I do in my private life is my own business, and I can raise my kids however I like

    10 38.46%
  • No opinion or undecided

    2 7.69%
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Thread: You Have No Constitutional Right To Your Own Science

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    Re: You Have No Constitutional Right To Your Own Science

    Quote Originally Posted by Kr1ll1n View Post
    And before everyone goes down this facetious path of who admits wrong ideas first, let's remember that science and religion are not mutually exclusive
    True, but some religious beliefs are mutually exclusive from science.

    And people who view their religion through the lens of a particular belief will have a problem with science.
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    Re: You Have No Constitutional Right To Your Own Science

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Science always existed, we just haven't always been around to be aware of it. Physics doesn't not exist because no one is around to observe it.
    That is true, but evolution is the change in allele frequencies over time. Non-living matter that never had alleles cannot evolve. In a simpler term, evolution can only occurring in living matter (with the exception of viruses). The first life could not have evolved because there was nothing to evolve from. That said, life arising from non-life in certain scenarios is not impossible.
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    Re: You Have No Constitutional Right To Your Own Science

    Quote Originally Posted by Pinkie View Post
    Poorly worded, pardon.

    I meant that at the line between mineral and plant or other living organism, the division between what is "alive" and what is "inert" is likely far less rigid and impermeable than most would suppose.

    So, as matter moves from an "inert" state towards an "alive" one, it doesn't fall of a cliff -- it slides down a hill, metaphorically speaking.

    Am I right?
    If you are talking about how life first came about on this planet, this is a reasonable metaphor. It was gradual not Poof it happened. If you are talking about anything else, then inert to living is not possible.
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    Re: You Have No Constitutional Right To Your Own Science

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    That is true, but evolution is the change in allele frequencies over time. Non-living matter that never had alleles cannot evolve. In a simpler term, evolution can only occurring in living matter (with the exception of viruses). The first life could not have evolved because there was nothing to evolve from. That said, life arising from non-life in certain scenarios is not impossible.
    I agree with almost everything you say except your second sentence. If you apply physical evolution to this scenario then evolution did occur to create life. However, in most cases that scenario does not occur as far as we know.
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    Re: You Have No Constitutional Right To Your Own Science

    Scientists do not consider viruses to be alive?

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    Re: You Have No Constitutional Right To Your Own Science

    Quote Originally Posted by Pinkie View Post
    Scientists do not consider viruses to be alive?
    Yes and no.
    It's complicated.

    Are Viruses Alive?
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    Re: You Have No Constitutional Right To Your Own Science

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Yes and no.
    It's complicated.

    Are Viruses Alive?
    Thanks!


    .................

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    Re: You Have No Constitutional Right To Your Own Science

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Yes and no.
    It's complicated.

    Are Viruses Alive?
    Yeah, I remember having this debate before, viruses are strange indeed. At least with bacteria it clearly meets all the criteria that we have consensus on, viruses have no such luck though.

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    Re: You Have No Constitutional Right To Your Own Science

    This thread is an excellent convo, BTW. Thanks to all who've posted to it!

    Carry on.

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    Re: You Have No Constitutional Right To Your Own Science

    Quote Originally Posted by Pinkie View Post
    Thanks!


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    That's why antibiotics are pretty much useless against viruses and viral infections.

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