View Poll Results: Does An American Have Freedom Of Science?

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  • No; there are limits to religious freedom when that is contradicted by science

    5 19.23%
  • Science cannot limit an American's freedom of religion

    7 26.92%
  • Sometimes. Kids should be taught whatever their parents want, but not abused.

    2 7.69%
  • I think my religion explains the world and I have no use for science

    0 0%
  • What I do in my private life is my own business, and I can raise my kids however I like

    10 38.46%
  • No opinion or undecided

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Thread: You Have No Constitutional Right To Your Own Science

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    Re: You Have No Constitutional Right To Your Own Science

    Quote Originally Posted by wolfman24 View Post
    But who controls us. The right or religion? That has been tried and failed horribly. We are in the 21st century and we still drive internal combustion engines. We still use fossil fuels, are still for the most part stuck on this tiny rock in space. WHo decides.

    I understand your point and believe that we do a pretty good job of monitoring ourselves, but if there must be some type of "control" or review (better word) then let us have an equal part in the process.
    I see a role for a philosopher on ethics issues, but no role whatsoever in actual science for any non-scientist.

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    Re: You Have No Constitutional Right To Your Own Science

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    Old argument...I dont think anyone really doubts evolution...where the doubt comes in is how the very first life form was created to begin the process of evolution, the very first lifeform could not have evolved.
    by the scientific definition of natural evolution this is true, but when the physical definition is applied then the process could be considered to be a type of evolution. People have to understand that our "evolution" in the field of evolution has resulted in two distinct definitions one is natural and the other physical. They are unique to each other but have essentially the same end point.
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    Re: You Have No Constitutional Right To Your Own Science

    You have the right to your own science, since this is covered under the right to pursue happiness. However, if you try to make that personal science mainstream, your science will be subject to the scrutiny of the scientific method. This will help set the record straight.

    Another consideration is magic, like levitating your lovely assistant on a stage. Magic requires science to help create the illusion. You need to know the physics and material properties needed to design you apparatus as well as knowledge of the human mind and human nature to make the trick work. There is a lot of good science involved in magic, all of which has to be real, to create the illusion.

    A good example, which fools many people is there is an island nation that is blaming larger countries for causing the oceans to rise via global warming. Scientists have measured the sea level near the islands and it is rising with the water causing problems and costs. This sea level change can be verified, but if you look carefully the wires are showing so it is a magic trick.

    Water does not pile up in only certain locations of the earth, but will seek a common level. If the rise was true, the water should be rising, uniformly everywhere all over the earth. Since this island country is seeing the highest degree of the problem, sea level rise has to be magic. A more realistic explanation is the land is sinking thereby making the ocean appear to rise when you measure it. Science is big business and sometimes magic is useful.

    The right to your own science is needed to help set the record straight. The herd is often easy to fool and if they start to stampede the truth is lost and we get a magic trick based on the best science. But certain things need to be hidden to work.

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    Re: You Have No Constitutional Right To Your Own Science

    Quote Originally Posted by Klown View Post
    The scientific method originated with the experimental validation that Eratosthenes carried out about 2200 years ago. He determined the circumference of the earth to within about +/- 5% accuracy, using a theory that the earth is spherical and that the curvature of the earth could be determined using shadows cast at different locations on the earth's surface

    It was in the temple of science where the Priests developed the digital computer and the internet.

    You need to pray to the Quantum Mechanical deity
    And he verified this mathematical formula by hiring men to walk off the distance between one of his base points and the other keeping track of their measurements as they went. A distance (as I remember of several hundred miles).
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    Re: You Have No Constitutional Right To Your Own Science

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    Who created the very first life form...or what...or where did it come from
    In order to understand where the first one celled organism came from you would have to first understand bio chemistry and cellular biology as well as organic and inorganic chemistry. It is not a simple answer and it took probalby millions of years to happen. The real question is where did the Big Bang come from?
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    Re: You Have No Constitutional Right To Your Own Science

    Quote Originally Posted by Pinkie View Post
    No one created it; it evolved. I guess I imagine something like Dr. Frankenstein on a molecular level -- highly conductive elements, animated by electricity.

    So, a question for you: will your faith be impaired if ever they discover life existed on Mars?
    If you have been keeping track they have already found some of the "building blocks" for life on Mars. Whether they ever got beyond that point is a good question.
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    Re: You Have No Constitutional Right To Your Own Science

    Quote Originally Posted by zstep18 View Post
    And it get's to a point where that question of "where did life begin?" gets out of the realm of science.
    Never going to happen. Physical v Natural evolution
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    Re: You Have No Constitutional Right To Your Own Science

    Quote Originally Posted by Pinkie View Post
    Why is it offensive?

    I have seen study after study that concludes this. If I am wrong, it's merely a mistake of fact and offensive only if you think atheists are defective.
    Its offensive to me and all the others of us who believe in a supreme being or creator. to label the majority of a group as one thing or the other without knowing for sure is wrong. Period. What if I said you were an atheist because of what you did and all like you were?

    I personally resent being labelled by people who do not know the facts. It offends me and my faith.
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    Re: You Have No Constitutional Right To Your Own Science

    Quote Originally Posted by Pinkie View Post
    I see a role for a philosopher on ethics issues, but no role whatsoever in actual science for any non-scientist.
    I just wish this was reality. We are and have been controlled by people with no idea of how we operate or what our guidelines are and this will not stop anytime soon. Pity
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    Re: You Have No Constitutional Right To Your Own Science

    Quote Originally Posted by Well View Post
    You have the right to your own science, since this is covered under the right to pursue happiness. However, if you try to make that personal science mainstream, your science will be subject to the scrutiny of the scientific method. This will help set the record straight.

    Another consideration is magic, like levitating your lovely assistant on a stage. Magic requires science to help create the illusion. You need to know the physics and material properties needed to design you apparatus as well as knowledge of the human mind and human nature to make the trick work. There is a lot of good science involved in magic, all of which has to be real, to create the illusion.

    A good example, which fools many people is there is an island nation that is blaming larger countries for causing the oceans to rise via global warming. Scientists have measured the sea level near the islands and it is rising with the water causing problems and costs. This sea level change can be verified, but if you look carefully the wires are showing so it is a magic trick.

    Water does not pile up in only certain locations of the earth, but will seek a common level. If the rise was true, the water should be rising, uniformly everywhere all over the earth. Since this island country is seeing the highest degree of the problem, sea level rise has to be magic. A more realistic explanation is the land is sinking thereby making the ocean appear to rise when you measure it. Science is big business and sometimes magic is useful.

    The right to your own science is needed to help set the record straight. The herd is often easy to fool and if they start to stampede the truth is lost and we get a magic trick based on the best science. But certain things need to be hidden to work.
    There is no such thing as individual sciencee (your own science) there is just science. It is up to the individual to decide whether he or she will accept it or not. Science is science it has no party, no side no country.
    "Those who do not learn from history and condemned to relive it".

    "There are those who will debate the necessity of wilderness, I will not, either you know it in your bones or you are very very old". Aldo Leopold - Sand County Almanac

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