View Poll Results: Does An American Have Freedom Of Science?

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  • No; there are limits to religious freedom when that is contradicted by science

    5 19.23%
  • Science cannot limit an American's freedom of religion

    7 26.92%
  • Sometimes. Kids should be taught whatever their parents want, but not abused.

    2 7.69%
  • I think my religion explains the world and I have no use for science

    0 0%
  • What I do in my private life is my own business, and I can raise my kids however I like

    10 38.46%
  • No opinion or undecided

    2 7.69%
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Thread: You Have No Constitutional Right To Your Own Science

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    Re: You Have No Constitutional Right To Your Own Science

    Quote Originally Posted by PirateMk1 View Post
    Wolfman you will notice I took pains to differintiate scientists of whom not all of them are inflexible and dogmatic and I would venture to say a majority of scientists that are true to the scientific method. I said that a large part of them were not. Flexibility with method or ethic was in no way what I was describing, but rather flexibility in stretching the mind, and inate curiosity to explore new avenues of thought. I am quite fortunate to work with people in a field that are truly passionate about their science and engineering and vigously ridgid and even ruthless in their application of the Method. That said I notice in some fields this ruthless rigor is not so strenuously applied. Climate scientists being the group that stands out. Their rigor in method application is suspect. I am not saying all of them, but definately I would say a more than a few.
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    Re: You Have No Constitutional Right To Your Own Science

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    I don't think scientists believing in their hypotheses in necessarily problematic, so long as they stop believing when they are proven wrong. And I think it's a good thing that scientists believe in the possibility of vaccines before creating or discovering them since that belief may give them the push needed to create/discover it in the first place.
    I understand your point and agree with it but I was talking about those who go in with a preconcieved notion of what will happen before they even begin. This is bias and it is heavily frowned upon
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    Re: You Have No Constitutional Right To Your Own Science

    Quote Originally Posted by marduc View Post
    It is not even opinion, it is a possibility, and one that is fully within the realm of natural causes. So just because we do not know does not mean that the answer is "god did it" when there are other perfectly rational explanations and possibilities as well.

    There is nothing wrong with saying "we do not know" the great thing about this is that when faced with that many will append this saying "We do not know... yet" and continue to explore for an answer. Filling in an assumed answer -especially a supernatural one - for "We do not know" gets us nowhere.

    Nowhere in any of my posts did I say god did it...or insinuate god did it...The only emphatic statement that ive made on the topic is that ...I dont have a clue how life started...and neither do you or anyone else

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    Re: You Have No Constitutional Right To Your Own Science

    Quote Originally Posted by marduc View Post
    It is not even opinion, it is a possibility, and one that is fully within the realm of natural causes. So just because we do not know does not mean that the answer is "god did it" when there are other perfectly rational explanations and possibilities as well.

    There is nothing wrong with saying "we do not know" the great thing about this is that when faced with that many will append this saying "We do not know... yet" and continue to explore for an answer. Filling in an assumed answer -especially a supernatural one - for "We do not know" gets us nowhere.

    Same answer I gave ikari...Ive never said god did it...I said no one knows, not me not you not science not the rabbi, priest or preacher either

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    Re: You Have No Constitutional Right To Your Own Science

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    This is honest, a rare thing today..
    Too many say they "know"..
    Well, IMO, they do not....nor do I!
    In my opinion, both life and the universal were not "created", but always were....no beginning, no end.....
    Man possesses love..."God" is absolute total love...
    We have "love", without it, evolution produces the Frankenstein Monster, not the beautiful things we have now.
    A philosophy.

    Everything has to have a beginning in my mind...the entire question is what started the very beginning....no one knows...theres alot of people that make alot of money off of giving me their opinion, which is worth not a nickle more than mine...until someone really does KNOW

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    Re: You Have No Constitutional Right To Your Own Science

    Quote Originally Posted by wolfman24 View Post
    Sorry my bad
    I obviously was not clear enough so really its my bad.
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    Re: You Have No Constitutional Right To Your Own Science

    Quote Originally Posted by Pinkie View Post
    Well, I can appreciate your sorrow at your brother's loss of his childhood faith, and it is true, few scientists are religious. However, I think you indict science for something it isn't responsible for -- each individual has a duty to manage his own inner life, Tigger.

    As for "replacing science", nope, not an option.
    this is total bull. I have only met one scientist in my 35+ years who did not believe in God or some time of supreme being. THis is the biggest falacy of the right wing and religous right. Because we work in a way that is not understandable to them its heresy or something. the problem is that Carl Sagan who was an atheist popularized the notion.

    As I have said before the best non-scientific explanation of science I have ever heard was that it was mans attempt to explain the existence of God/creator by rationale means.

    No person who works in the natural sciencess and is in his right mind would deny the existence of a force greater than him/herself.
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    Re: You Have No Constitutional Right To Your Own Science

    Quote Originally Posted by Pinkie View Post
    You are correct; atheism is probably at its highest among American scientists, as compared to Americans generally.




    Will your faith lead you to a cure for cancer? Alternative energy source? Map of the Universe?
    85-90% of all scientists believe in God/Creator/power greater than themselves. Please stop this is offensive
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    Re: You Have No Constitutional Right To Your Own Science

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    Science in my humble uneducated opninion is necessary must be nutured and CONTROLLED. I believe the "mad scientist syndrome" can exist and do harm and I do believe that scientists will lie through their teeth to get their name published in some book somewhere and that has happened many times already.
    Science is the way we learn and progress...but it has to be controlled and not let to its own designs totally.. Just recently all the lieing on both sides about global warming has so diluted the truth...no one really knows what the hell the truth is.
    But who controls us. The right or religion? That has been tried and failed horribly. We are in the 21st century and we still drive internal combustion engines. We still use fossil fuels, are still for the most part stuck on this tiny rock in space. WHo decides.

    I understand your point and believe that we do a pretty good job of monitoring ourselves, but if there must be some type of "control" or review (better word) then let us have an equal part in the process.
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    Re: You Have No Constitutional Right To Your Own Science

    Quote Originally Posted by wolfman24 View Post
    85-90% of all scientists believe in God/Creator/power greater than themselves. Please stop this is offensive
    Why is it offensive?

    I have seen study after study that concludes this. If I am wrong, it's merely a mistake of fact and offensive only if you think atheists are defective.

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