View Poll Results: Does An American Have Freedom Of Science?

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  • No; there are limits to religious freedom when that is contradicted by science

    5 19.23%
  • Science cannot limit an American's freedom of religion

    7 26.92%
  • Sometimes. Kids should be taught whatever their parents want, but not abused.

    2 7.69%
  • I think my religion explains the world and I have no use for science

    0 0%
  • What I do in my private life is my own business, and I can raise my kids however I like

    10 38.46%
  • No opinion or undecided

    2 7.69%
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Thread: You Have No Constitutional Right To Your Own Science

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    Re: You Have No Constitutional Right To Your Own Science

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    They don't do a very good job of teaching that in most of the schools.



    That is where I will have to part company with them.
    Because....................?

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    Re: You Have No Constitutional Right To Your Own Science

    Quote Originally Posted by Pinkie View Post
    Because....................?
    Because I prefer my "mythology" to theirs.

    As I mentioned earlier, my youngest brother and his wife both have PhD's in genetic microbiology from Columbia University. They were both raised in religious homes and have chosen a new religion as adults.... Science. I have sat down and had some rather interesting discussions with them, and with others who share that mentality over time. I find it to be completely and totally hollow. As hollow as they find my beliefs to be.

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    Re: You Have No Constitutional Right To Your Own Science

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    Because I prefer my "mythology" to theirs.

    As I mentioned earlier, my youngest brother and his wife both have PhD's in genetic microbiology from Columbia University. They were both raised in religious homes and have chosen a new religion as adults.... Science. I have sat down and had some rather interesting discussions with them, and with others who share that mentality over time. I find it to be completely and totally hollow. As hollow as they find my beliefs to be.
    Well, I can appreciate your sorrow at your brother's loss of his childhood faith, and it is true, few scientists are religious. However, I think you indict science for something it isn't responsible for -- each individual has a duty to manage his own inner life, Tigger.

    As for "replacing science", nope, not an option.

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    Re: You Have No Constitutional Right To Your Own Science

    It's hard to even begin a reasonable discussion when a person who touts man made global warming refers to God as "your imaginary friend". Noone specific, but that's the general gist of it.

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    Re: You Have No Constitutional Right To Your Own Science

    Quote Originally Posted by Pinkie View Post
    Well, I can appreciate your sorrow at your brother's loss of his childhood faith, and it is true, few scientists are religious. However, I think you indict science for something it isn't responsible for -- each individual has a duty to manage his own inner life, Tigger.
    It's not a matter of losing the childhood faith. If that were the issue, I'd be as guilty as they are, since I no longer associate myself with any organized religion. Not only do I find scientists to be non-religious, I find most of them to be non-spiritual as well. They exist in a world where if it cannot be measured, calculated, or seen through a microscope it cannot exist. I find that to be a terribly hollow way to go through life.

    Quote Originally Posted by Pinkie View Post
    As for "replacing science", nope, not an option.
    It is for some of us.

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    Re: You Have No Constitutional Right To Your Own Science

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    It's not a matter of losing the childhood faith. If that were the issue, I'd be as guilty as they are, since I no longer associate myself with any organized religion. Not only do I find scientists to be non-religious, I find most of them to be non-spiritual as well. They exist in a world where if it cannot be measured, calculated, or seen through a microscope it cannot exist. I find that to be a terribly hollow way to go through life.
    You are correct; atheism is probably at its highest among American scientists, as compared to Americans generally.


    It is for some of us.
    Will your faith lead you to a cure for cancer? Alternative energy source? Map of the Universe?

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    Re: You Have No Constitutional Right To Your Own Science

    Quote Originally Posted by Pinkie View Post
    You are correct; atheism is probably at its highest among American scientists, as compared to Americans generally.
    It is definitely at a very high rate, which I find to be somewhat disturbing.

    Quote Originally Posted by Pinkie View Post
    Will your faith lead you to a cure for cancer? Alternative energy source? Map of the Universe?
    My faith does not concern itself with such things. My cure for cancer would/will be .45ACP up under the chin with a rearward cant of the muzzle. I won't live long enough to have to worry about alternative energy sources, and any Map of the Universe will require many more years than I have left to even be seriously started.

    Maybe three or four lifetimes from now it'll be an issue, but it won't be for quite a while.

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    Re: You Have No Constitutional Right To Your Own Science

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    It is definitely at a very high rate, which I find to be somewhat disturbing.



    My faith does not concern itself with such things. My cure for cancer would/will be .45ACP up under the chin with a rearward cant of the muzzle. I won't live long enough to have to worry about alternative energy sources, and any Map of the Universe will require many more years than I have left to even be seriously started.

    Maybe three or four lifetimes from now it'll be an issue, but it won't be for quite a while.
    Hopefully not.

    Either way, when the cure is discovered, a scientist will do the discovering and will have done so by employing the scientific method.

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    Re: You Have No Constitutional Right To Your Own Science

    Quote Originally Posted by Pinkie View Post
    Hopefully not. Either way, when the cure is discovered, a scientist will do the discovering and will have done so by employing the scientific method.
    Good for him/her. Not that it really makes any difference to me. Even if they were to discover a cure tomorrow, it would have no impact on me personally.

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    Re: You Have No Constitutional Right To Your Own Science

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    Good for him/her. Not that it really makes any difference to me. Even if they were to discover a cure tomorrow, it would have no impact on me personally.
    Why not?

    You assume that cure will involve some dread treatment, like chemotherapy?

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