View Poll Results: Does An American Have Freedom Of Science?

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  • No; there are limits to religious freedom when that is contradicted by science

    5 19.23%
  • Science cannot limit an American's freedom of religion

    7 26.92%
  • Sometimes. Kids should be taught whatever their parents want, but not abused.

    2 7.69%
  • I think my religion explains the world and I have no use for science

    0 0%
  • What I do in my private life is my own business, and I can raise my kids however I like

    10 38.46%
  • No opinion or undecided

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Thread: You Have No Constitutional Right To Your Own Science

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    Re: You Have No Constitutional Right To Your Own Science

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    you're unwilling to look with anything other than your eyes, to hear with anything other than your ears, or feel with anything other than your hands.
    Irony?



    No. I'm waging a war on one group of people being allowed to hold up their mythology and demand it be recognized as TRUTH while denouncing everyone else's mythology.
    They're all out to get you.
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    Re: You Have No Constitutional Right To Your Own Science

    Quote Originally Posted by PirateMk1 View Post
    We dont need national standards, thats what got us into this mess in the first place. Everybody is argueing about what should go into them and be left out. The market can sort that out. Schools should be funded and controlled locally. I mean real localy. Each school should be its own entity supported by its users. That way the people who use have the most say in what goes on in it.
    As I have said before local control is not a good idea from the standpoint of ciriculum. My example was that where I live two high schools less than 5 miles apart will and do have entirely different ciriculums for students. There must be a standardized method so that what is taught as a core course in Virginia is also a core course in Alaska. This way kids transferring within states or between states will be able to have the same courses. The present system is arbitrary, confusing and many times does not meet the requirememts for various universities within or without a state if that is the direction the kid is going.
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    Re: You Have No Constitutional Right To Your Own Science

    Quote Originally Posted by wolfman24 View Post
    As I have said before local control is not a good idea from the standpoint of ciriculum. My example was that where I live two high schools less than 5 miles apart will and do have entirely different ciriculums for students. There must be a standardized method so that what is taught as a core course in Virginia is also a core course in Alaska. This way kids transferring within states or between states will be able to have the same courses. The present system is arbitrary, confusing and many times does not meet the requirememts for various universities within or without a state if that is the direction the kid is going.
    So you are saying that you believe that standardization is preferable, and you would like to impose this belief on others?

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    Re: You Have No Constitutional Right To Your Own Science

    To me, science is a blind faith as much as religion, so sure, people have a right to their own science just so long as they do not impose it upon others,

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    Re: You Have No Constitutional Right To Your Own Science

    Quote Originally Posted by PirateMk1 View Post
    That last 3 lines of yours is so true. I am glad you said it. I wish I had put it as sucincly as you have. I see this in the Global Warming debate and am seeing this more in the harder sciences now. Its a shame really. I love science and the rigour it imposses on your thought process. It requires flexible thinking and ingenuity and curiosty and all of our mental muscle to use scienticfic method correctly. To bad there are scientists not so constrained. Flexibility and curiosty are not in favor in large parts of the scientific communitie these days, and that is sadning.
    Your last sentence is untrue. Curiosity is the hallmark of science it is how theories and ideas are made. We do not work on an assembly line. Flexibility is a vague term. If you are saying thinking outside the box, I must also disagree with you there. A scientist who practices good science MUST be able to be flexible. If his idea or experiment does not work he must be flexible enough to discard it and flexible enough to think of a new way to deal with it. If you are talking about flexibility within the scientific method or ethic then I will say that yes there is no flexibility here because these concepts are necessary for doing good science
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    Re: You Have No Constitutional Right To Your Own Science

    Quote Originally Posted by Pinkie View Post
    Again, I have no quarrel with anyone who is skeptical about a new scientific theory. I am impatient with people who still want to debate whether evolution or global warming are real, but they can believe whatever they like -- as long as my tax dollars are not going into funding these mistakes in thinking.

    I do not want to give out taxpayer dollars as grants to look for the Holy Grail, etc.
    I am confused are you saying evolution and GW are not real?
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    Re: You Have No Constitutional Right To Your Own Science

    Quote Originally Posted by Fisher View Post
    To me, science is a blind faith as much as religion, so sure, people have a right to their own science just so long as they do not impose it upon others,
    Blind faith? Lol. No my man. Blind faith is saying that God will protect you if you jump off a building. Science is telling you that when you hit the floor, the force of gravity will make sure you don't survive without broken bones as a minimum. Quit putting the two on the same standard. Still think science is blind faith? Jump off a building. See which one is more likely to happen. Broken bones or God saving you.
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    Re: You Have No Constitutional Right To Your Own Science

    Quote Originally Posted by Pinkie View Post

    Quam suus 'vestri latin?
    Latini mei dilectos est aeque pauperibus.
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    Re: You Have No Constitutional Right To Your Own Science

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Don't impose your beliefs on my children, and I won't impose my beliefs on yours.
    Science isn't a belief...

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    Re: You Have No Constitutional Right To Your Own Science

    Quote Originally Posted by ReformCollege View Post
    Science isn't a belief...


    As I've already said... there are scientific things that are self-evident, like the existence of gravity.

    OTOH, there are scientific things that are subject to debate, such as exactly what gravity/inertia IS (curved spacetime, gravitons, field effects, theories differ), or whether global warming is anthropogenic and constitutes a disaster, or whether evolution actually disproves the possibility of a Creator.

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