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Which type of judges would support human cloning?

Which type of judges would support human cloning?

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rathi said:
Current animal cloning methods have an unacceptably high rate of problems. It is unethical to deliberately create humans with a high probability of crippling defects. It is not a matter of superstition, it is valid medical ethics. Reproductive cloning should be banned until such a time at which it can performed with an acceptable risk of complications.
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I suppose you also want to ban older people from having kids while you're at it? They have a higher rate of problems.

The bottom line is it is none of your business to decide what level of risk is acceptable.
 
wolfman24 said:
But again it would not be a duplicate of him in the sense most people think about it. It would just have the same features and base characteristics of him. For a trigillionaire to be able to reproduce himself would mean he would have to recreate every instance of his life which means time travel backwards which is physically impossible.
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There's a "cyrogenic freezing" facility in Arizona, and even Walt Disney was stoopid enough to have his remains frosted.

You think there's no rich idijit anywhere on the planet dumb enough to want to be cloned? S'rly?
 
shiang said:
I mean socially we're having problem with funding stem cell research. Human cloning is a few steps up the ladder.
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Well, a lack of funds may not be a barrier, if some cadre' of rich people wants cloning.
 
clownboy said:
As for what "type" of judges would support cloning - depends entirely on the "pressing" issue that it came to the court wrapped in. What dire straight was ginned up to get the camel's nose under the tent.

By the way, human cloning isn't just one issue, but a never-ending sack of issues.
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It's only an "issue" to wing nuts, religious extremists, and other assorted nanny state bedwetters.
 
Guy Incognito said:
I suppose you also want to ban older people from having kids while you're at it? They have a higher rate of problems.

The bottom line is it is none of your business to decide what level of risk is acceptable.
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I disagree. I think society has every right (on some ethically-challenging items) to tell scientists that IF they can, they still may not.

Remember Octomom?
 
wolfman24 said:
If all your looking for is a better vegetable or cow thats one thing, but if you are looking for another Einstein or DiVinci that is quite another. The odds on reproducing an exact duplicate of any famous person are astronomical. They would have to have the same experiences and socialization and learning as the original. They would have to for lack of a better term be able to exactly duplicate the life of the original. that is almost impossible.
Some people also after watching to much TV that a clone starts out as a grown human. No it starts out as a baby like everyone else.

So the likely hood of this becoming a driving force in society is imho remote.
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I don't really see how sci fi myths and misconceptions bear on the issue. We should try to stay grounded in reality, if you please. The potential uses for clonint are therapeutic and reproductive, not duplicative.
 
Pinkie said:
Hummm....this is conspiracy nonsense. Will you start telling us about the New World Order next, Klown?
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The posts from him have a rather "unique" perspective
 
Pinkie said:
There's a "cyrogenic freezing" facility in Arizona, and even Walt Disney was stoopid enough to have his remains frosted.

You think there's no rich idijit anywhere on the planet dumb enough to want to be cloned? S'rly?
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I don't want to get into an argument. It would not matter if he did the result would not be HIM. Even if he wanted to live forever, the clone would not be him. They could teach him once he was old enough to think the same, act the same and walk and talk the same but it still would not be HIM. There are too many variable which would effect the equation. the age thing is the largest of them all. Clones don't come out as adults they come out as tiny babies.

As your /// commnent of course there is.
 
Guy Incognito said:
I don't really see how sci fi myths and misconceptions bear on the issue. We should try to stay grounded in reality, if you please. The potential uses for clonint are therapeutic and reproductive, not duplicative.
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That is my whole point. Sci Fi is exactly what the idea of human cloning for duplication is. I do not believe I mentioned anythng about other possible uses. I am not sure what you mean by Theraputic? Explain please!
 
I would venture to say that liberal judges would probably be more comfortable with the idea of cloning humans.
 
wolfman24 said:
That is my whole point. Sci Fi is exactly what the idea of human cloning for duplication is. I do not believe I mentioned anythng about other possible uses. I am not sure what you mean by Theraputic? Explain please!
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Therapeutic cloning is the use of cloning to grow replacement organs, etc.
 
digsbe said:
I would venture to say that liberal judges would probably be more comfortable with the idea of cloning humans.
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especially if they could vote in federal elections
 
Guy Incognito said:
Therapeutic cloning is the use of cloning to grow replacement organs, etc.
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Thats what I thought. I doubt that this would past muster in our society it would be akin to the abortion debate.
 
TurtleDude said:
especially if they could vote in federal elections
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A fully cloned human should be able too, they would be a human individual just like anyone else. I think it's unethical to clone a human, but if that were to happen they would be their own sovereign individual.
 
wolfman24 said:
Thats what I thought. I doubt that this would past muster in our society it would be akin to the abortion debate.
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Indeed! Which is precisely why we need to liberal judges, just like the abortion debate.
 
digsbe said:
A fully cloned human should be able too, they would be a human individual just like anyone else. I think it's unethical to clone a human, but if that were to happen they would be their own sovereign individual.
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exactly!
A clone is basically a twin.
 
Guy Incognito said:
Indeed! Which is precisely why we need to liberal judges, just like the abortion debate.
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I disagree. Having a lose and immoral view on preborn life is not the answer. The idea of fertilizing a human embryo and trying to signal it to become an organ is wrong, especially since we cannot effectively do that right now. I'm more for taking existing cells and dedifferentiating them to stem cells that may become an organ. Unless someone's disease is genetic then you would have an identical organ that has no immunological rejection issues without the ethical implications of creating a human life to be used as a sacrifice made into an organ (that may fail).

Guy Incognito said:
exactly!
A clone is basically a twin.
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It is pretty much, although the genome and telomeres have aged and you doom the cloned individual to a shorter lifespan if we were to clone using our current techniques.
 
digsbe said:
I would venture to say that liberal judges would probably be more comfortable with the idea of cloning humans.
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Yet, anti-genetically modified crop people are usually hippies. Will they ignore the environmental concerns of human clones?
 
digsbe said:
A fully cloned human should be able too, they would be a human individual just like anyone else. I think it's unethical to clone a human, but if that were to happen they would be their own sovereign individual.
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Dems will pass a law that they will only be cloned from those most likely to vote den
 
ecofarm said:
Yet, anti-genetically modified crop people are usually hippies. Will they ignore the environmental concerns of human clones?
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Maybe. I really have no respect for their opinion since they lack a fundamental understanding of genetics. If they did they wouldn't be anti-genetically modified crop supporters. They hear the words "mutate" or "transfection" and think the worst without knowing what is going on. The only issue I have with genetically modified crops is the patent aspect where some farm companies want to sue property owners that had some of the genetically modified plant growing on their land due to nature spreading seed.
 
It's a no brainer: Liberals.

The clones would be genetically engineered to tolerate crime, oppression and cramped living spaces. They would also have an affinity for big screen televisions.
 
digsbe said:
Maybe. I really have no respect for their opinion since they lack a fundamental understanding of genetics. If they did they wouldn't be anti-genetically modified crop supporters. They hear the words "mutate" or "transfection" and think the worst without knowing what is going on. The only issue I have with genetically modified crops is the patent aspect where some farm companies want to sue property owners that had some of the genetically modified plant growing on their land due to nature spreading seed.
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So much rationality in this thread! It's like a voice crying out in the wilderness.

It's not just hippies. For whatever reason I know a lot of Catholics who oppose GMOs. I guess it is just correlated with ignorance.
 
Dooble said:
It's a no brainer: Liberals.

The clones would be genetically engineered to tolerate crime, oppression and cramped living spaces. They would also have an affinity for big screen televisions.
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Sounds like a Philip K. Dick novel.
 
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