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    Re: Which type of judges would support human cloning?

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    I don't really care what you think about me, TD, but you should try to keep your own story straight. You know precious little about the SCOTUS. Have you ever even been to DC on business?

    You're a funny guy TD.
    so tell me Guy-what sort of law degree do you have? I need a great laugh before retiring for the evening

    I have been to DC a few times including three weeks for a trial

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    Re: Which type of judges would support human cloning?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Since most of the judges on the Supreme Court are less likely to rule based upon any consistent legal principles than upon their personal political views, I would suggest that liberal judges would be more likely to strike it down. This is for the simple reason that I think people who are ideologically liberal are more likely to regard technology as inherently good for its own sake, whereas people who are ideologically conservative are more likely to be worried about the bioethics of new technology.
    Precisely correct. If you support advancements in human clonig research, the only way to ensure it is by appointing liberal judges and justices, wouldn't you agree?

    Incidentally, what is your opinion on the issue?

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    Re: Which type of judges would support human cloning?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    so tell me Guy-what sort of law degree do you have? I need a great laugh before retiring for the evening

    I have been to DC a few times including three weeks for a trial
    I got my degree from the school of hard knocks, and did my graduate work at the university of moping the floor with you in every debate we've ever had. But TD, my credentials, or lack thereof, are not relevant.

    You'd do well to stay focused on your arguments.
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    Re: Which type of judges would support human cloning?

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    Precisely correct. If you support advancements in human clonig research, the only way to ensure it is by appointing liberal judges and justices, wouldn't you agree?
    Since we're a long way from the point where important cloning issues are definitively ruled upon by the courts, I'd suggest that a better way to advance that cause is to elect liberal legislators and executives.

    Incidentally, what is your opinion on the issue?
    I'm generally supportive of more research and development on human cloning...specifically the possibility of cloning organs and tissues for medical procedures. I'm much more hesitant about the idea of cloning an entire human being due to the genetic errors that have been quite common in other cloned animals.
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    Re: Which type of judges would support human cloning?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Since we're a long way from the point where important cloning issues are definitively ruled upon by the courts, I'd suggest that a better way to advance that cause is to elect liberal legislators and executives.



    I'm generally supportive of more research and development on human cloning...specifically the possibility of cloning organs and tissues for medical procedures. I'm much more hesitant about the idea of cloning an entire human being due to the genetic errors that have been quite common in other cloned animals.
    You can't ensure that liberals will be elected every time, these things are cyclical. Federal judges and supreme court justices have lifetime appointments. If we pack the courts wih liberals we can be assured that if a republican legislature manages to sneak by with a cloning ban it will be assured to be struck down. Cloning is too important to leave to the whims of the voting public.

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    Re: Which type of judges would support human cloning?

    Supreme court judges are corporately OWNED and controlled

    If Human cloning can produce higher profits in any industry or sector, then it will be legalised

    The Corpocracy has no sustancial morals to contend with other than its fascist ideology and power concentration

    This is exactly why the US supreme court in 2010, bestowed upon the Corporation the classification of personhood

    Now a Corporation, can not only shaft the citizens of the USA, it is also protected by the US constitution

    (ironically the US constitution is currently impotent due to the Patriot Acts and the NDAA signing - the fascist Corpocratic tyranny in the USA has been securely embedded in the legal, political, social and financial systems. The people of the USA can either continue enduring the pain of slavery, or they can rebel and dismantle this inhumane totalitarian fascist Corpocracy - and that will happen one day)

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    Re: Which type of judges would support human cloning?

    I'd like to believe they all would, albeit for completely different reasons.

    I'm going to need a clone very soon. My current body needs to be embalmed and given a fresh chance.

    Oh, and Thomas will vote for whatever Scalia tells him to.

    ((Opinion alert))

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    What you said about Thomas does not ring true. I am sure he could. One up with a clever bit of sophistry to justify a cloning ban, considering what an activist he is. Frankly your naïveté surprises me. Is it an act or sincere?

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    Re: Which type of judges would support human cloning?

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    You can't ensure that liberals will be elected every time, these things are cyclical.
    That's fine...if the people don't want to elect politicians who support cloning I see no reason to force it upon them.

    Federal judges and supreme court justices have lifetime appointments. If we pack the courts wih liberals we can be assured that if a republican legislature manages to sneak by with a cloning ban it will be assured to be struck down.
    You'd still have to have liberal legislators and executives anyway, to get them onto the court in the first place. The bottom line is that if the public is completely opposed to it (and cares enough to vote based on the issue), then it's not going to be legal.

    Cloning is too important to leave to the whims of the voting public.
    Meh. Why? It's about 421st on my list of priorities for the judicial branch, and even lower for the legislative branch. Even for technology issues, it doesn't crack my top 20. Maybe that will change as the technology improves, but I doubt it. As far as I know, only the most hardline conservatives are calling for a total ban on it, including therapeutic organ/tissue cloning...most of those who have taken an anti-cloning stance only want to ban the cloning of full human beings.
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    Re: Which type of judges would support human cloning?

    Guy Incognito I have to ask why your immediate reaction upon hearing an answer to a question you yourself posed is to insult the person and to condescend. Surely you realize questioning someones "naivete" is not the best way of going about things?

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    Re: Which type of judges would support human cloning?

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    Let's imagine this scenario: Congress takes the advice of President Bush's bioethics advisor Leon Kass and enacts a total ban on all human cloning. Which type of judge would be more likely to strike it down?
    The Godless, commie liberal ones.

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