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    Re: Which type of judges would support human cloning?

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    Caring more about the life of an animal

    than the life of a human is morally repugnant.
    I am not a member of PITA and don't support them. I did not say This. I was a wildlife biologist for many years. I went into the program because I believe it is our job to be stewards of the things wild and free contrary to the crap in the old testament. God put them here and blessed them. It is not our place to destroy things he blessed.

    Having said that as a wildlife biologist I have had to kill my share of animals in order to save the group a standard game management proceedure. I also think commerical poachers are the lowest form of life on earth and it doesn't bother me one a bit when one goes down considering what they do and the way they do it. And especially what they have done to so many of my colleagues over the years. Only the most coldest of hearts would think their actions as accceptable.

    This issue here is not one over the other but accepting that the type of practice I have described being condoned is immoral.

    You can talk to me all day about livestock but if you read this thread that is not what we are talking about.

    You can think what you want about what you think my views are but if you follow the word it is NOT your place to judge me. You absolutist views are getting old quick. The world is not all black and white and I assure you not that as simple as you make it out.
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    Re: Which type of judges would support human cloning?

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective-J View Post
    LOL!


    me neither, I dont know what I did.

    it should say:


    how in the hell do you group stem cell research with cloning a human being.
    I think you missed it JC. What we are discussing is the ability to use stem cell resarch to heal or replace certain parts of the body which apparently is being worked on. the idea stem cells being able to recreate a human is nonsense. Too many variables.

    Organs and tissues = Probably yes

    People= no
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    Re: Which type of judges would support human cloning?

    Quote Originally Posted by wolfman24 View Post
    I think you missed it JC. What we are discussing is the ability to use stem cell resarch to heal or replace certain parts of the body which apparently is being worked on. the idea stem cells being able to recreate a human is nonsense. Too many variables.

    Organs and tissues = Probably yes

    People= no
    What are you talking about?
    missed what?

    Im talking about the OP, the OP, groups stem cell research and human cloning together in a voting black, thats nonsense.
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    Re: Which type of judges would support human cloning?

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective-J View Post
    What are you talking about?
    missed what?

    Im talking about the OP, the OP, groups stem cell research and human cloning together in a voting black, thats nonsense.
    Sorry I thought you were talking to me? My bad.
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    Re: Which type of judges would support human cloning?

    Quote Originally Posted by wolfman24 View Post
    You can think what you want about what you think my views are but if you follow the word it is NOT your place to judge me. You absolutist views are getting old quick. The world is not all black and white and I assure you not that as simple as you make it out.
    I'm sorry you feel that way, but there is no room in this life for shades of gray thinking about morality. That kind of thinking is what has led us to the ruination we are in as a society. There are indeed moral absolutes, and the sanctity of human life is absolute. To protect an animal when a human could benefit from the death of that animal is monstrous.

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    Re: Which type of judges would support human cloning?

    Quote Originally Posted by wolfman24 View Post
    Sorry I thought you were talking to me? My bad.
    oooooh, lol no

    no bigge it happens I would have quoted you if I was
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    Re: Which type of judges would support human cloning?

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    I'm sorry you feel that way, but there is no room in this life for shades of gray thinking about morality. That kind of thinking is what has led us to the ruination we are in as a society. There are indeed moral absolutes, and the sanctity of human life is absolute. To protect an animal when a human could benefit from the death of that animal is monstrous.
    are you even reading what people are posting? lol
    your post makes no sense
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    Re: Which type of judges would support human cloning?

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    It's not a straw man, you are simply being logically inconsistent. It shouldn't do either.
    Its not logically inconsistent in the slightest, its the entire basis of how medicine interacts with the law. If a citizens wants to treat his cancer with some homeopathic medicine, its none of the governments business. If a doctor does the same things, they are looking at a giant lawsuit and the loss of their medical license. People in positions of authority and responsibility are held to a higher standard.

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    Re: Which type of judges would support human cloning?

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    Which sort of judges or Supreme Court justices would be more sympathetic to human cloning, stem cell research, or other sorts of bioethics issues? Liberal judges or conservative judges?

    What do you all think?
    Conservatives would hate these areas.

    One Conservative half would see it as playing god and the other half would fear the change impact that such advances in human cloning, stem cell research, or other sorts of bioethics issues would bring.

    The positive part of conservative thought is when it fights declining standards in society and acts as a balance to ideas that could have a negative or disasterous impact.

    The negative part of conservative thought is it's intolerance to any change and it's need to try and cling to the past it can cause a lack of any positive momentum in a country.

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    Re: Which type of judges would support human cloning?

    Quote Originally Posted by wolfman24 View Post
    In 1972 I joined the association for the proper application of science. Our main objective was to adamently oppose the use of cloning for reproducing "famous" humans or the harvesting of human clones. I have never once waivered from that. We support stem cell research and simliar studies but when it comes to harvesting cloned humans or animals for that matter my answer is NO. I was surprised alittle by a survey recently that said that 78% of academic scientists support this position. Why so low?
    Probably cause they have positions like mine. Mine is I have no problem cloning animals or at least their parts especially if its for food production. I have no problems with cloning human parts or whole humans. There is only one caviet. That is this, to clone either human or animal they must have permission from the owners. Humans own themselves, and humans own animals. I have friends who are getting ready to do a start up to clone animal skin for use in leather goods in hopes of perfecting the process for human skin grafts for burn victims, they want to licence the printing procedure for their first products. They see a lot of possibilities besides medical with these sorts of tecniques. One of them even wants to make real fur jackets without having to wack the mink they get the fur from he thinks mink skins can be cloned fur and all. He seems to think that PETA will go for it and help promote it even. I dont know about that but you never know. One of their goals was to make boneless beef in the lab that has all the nutrition flavor and everything without the steer and hormone injections. I am not so sure that would sell, but hey its meat without the guilt of wacking steers so who knows.
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