View Poll Results: Who won tonight's debate?

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  • Barack Obama

    15 12.50%
  • Mitt Romney

    98 81.67%
  • It was a draw

    7 5.83%
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Thread: Who Won?

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    Re: Who Won?

    Quote Originally Posted by Josie View Post
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    Seriously, people? How on earth do you think Obama won this debate?
    Even the Obama campaign is tacitly admitting they lost the debate. They likely just don't like ROmney

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    Re: Who Won?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    Obama is not stupid. But those Obama slurpers who claim he is a genius are morons or have a man crush so heavy they cannot see straight. the smartest presidents in the last 75 years were

    Nixon, Bush I, and Clinton. Obama is not in that group. Romney might be
    Holy cow, those are three I'd never pick -- especially Clinton!

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    Re: Who Won?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Even the Obama campaign is tacitly admitting they lost the debate. They likely just don't like ROmney
    Meh, I'm not going to vote for Romney unless Obama drops dead of a heart attack. I just don't like him, his POVs, his VP or his background.

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    Re: Who Won?

    Quote Originally Posted by Pinkie View Post
    Holy cow, those are three I'd never pick -- especially Clinton!
    Clinton was a Rhodes Scholar. Just because he was unwise does not mean he was unintelligent.

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    Re: Who Won?

    Although I don't like either candidate, and I don't REALLY believe anything they promise or say, I think it is only fair to say that Romney did a better job during the debate, other than his odd facial expressions, but Obama had some odd ones too, so they break even in the making weird and uncomfortable-looking faces category.

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    Re: Who Won?

    Quote Originally Posted by Pinkie View Post
    In my case, confirmation bias. Romney seemed disrespectful and haughty to me.

    Really, what else is this but performance art? It isn't as if I watched, waiting for some erudition on either man's positions.
    I certainly agree about the demeanor of Mittens last night. But that is irrelevant next to the massive coverage he is getting as the winner of this debate. It does not matter that he lied. It does not matter that he was rude at times. It does not matter than he seems to shed personna's more than a snake sheds his skin. As long as the crowd believes he sawed the lady in half - he did it.

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    Re: Who Won?

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    I agree, but what should be and what is are two different things altogether.
    I haven't said any different.

    You seem to take the position that we should have higher expectations for the general electorate. I'm not really all that optimistic - you can call it complacent if you want, but it's simply how I view the realities of group behavior. I think it's absolutely unrealistic to expect the general electorate to judge a debate based on facts and strength of arguments rather than style points.
    Eh, my point thus far has been that I have higher expectations for myself and that I reject the notion that I should judge a debate by how the majority judges it which is what Tucker's original criticism of my argument was. Like I said originally, when we see a problem, we can either become a part of it or become the change we wish to see. It seems like most people here think that the superficiality of how debates are judged is a problem, but it seems like everyone's just going along with it and saying, "well, this is just how it is." Well, that's not how it's going to be for me and I suspect that might sound arrogant or that I'm trying to put people down, but that's not where it's coming from. I just think that if you see a problem, you should try to fix it rather than become a part of it.

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    Re: Who Won?

    Quote Originally Posted by Pinkie View Post
    I just don't like him, his POVs, his VP or his background.
    LOL, that's everything.

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    Re: Who Won?

    I don't know who won the debate...but in the end...the American people are the losers...regardless of which one is elected.

    Neither is capable or willing to work toward fixing the systemic problems with government and political parties...because they are all beholding to factions or special interests that they won't betray.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Removable Mind View Post
    I don't know who won the debate...but in the end...the American people are the losers...regardless of which one is elected.

    Neither is capable or willing to work toward fixing the systemic problems with government and political parties...because they are all beholding to factions or special interests that they won't betray.
    And if what you say is accurate, what then is the solution?
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