View Poll Results: For those in the US, what level of citizenship do you most identify yourself with?

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  • I am an American citizen first and a state citizen second

    11 55.00%
  • I am a state citizen first and an American citizen second

    2 10.00%
  • I have equal pride in my state and the nation

    3 15.00%
  • I identify myself as a member of the local community or county over state or federal

    0 0%
  • I am a citizen of the world!

    4 20.00%
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Thread: State vs Federal citizenship

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    Re: State vs Federal citizenship

    This is an absolutely excelent thread, this brings it to the open, how much demage the ideology of a nation state has already caused, and this is not even a specifically American problem.

    Unless you sell to the federal government, it is not a nation that is your customer, but a community. If you want to pay for labor and services, you don't buy that from a nation, you buy that from the communities that you operate in.

    So, what good is your nation for you? To force you to use a "legal currency"? Luckily, in the USA the law allows everyone to invent his own currency if he can get enough others to use it with him. (One of the reasons I love the USA.)

    But even with that, we all know those newspaper articles about how viciously the federal IRS clamps down on "bartell traders".

    And then add that most of your taxbill is not even where you operate, it is to some remote federal account. And communities then go to beg for handouts from the federal monies. This system is currently your disgrace, it would only work in Europe, where communities are true enemies of each other, not only co-competitors. In the Unites States, you would be MUCH better off to see yourself as a person with your local identity, instead of making a whore out of yourself for national trickery. Remember the Founding Fathers and what they wrote about.
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    Re: State vs Federal citizenship

    I'm an American citizen first, but I have tremendous identity in my state.
    Michael J Petrilli-"Is School Choice Enough?"-A response to the recent timidity of American conservatives toward education reform. https://nationalaffairs.com/publicat...-choice-enough

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    Re: State vs Federal citizenship

    Torn between the first and the last option. I support globalization and "I'm a citizen of the world" has a very nice ring to it. ...Though I can't complain being an American citizen and I'm proud of that too.

    I like my state, Virginia, too. I think northern Virginia's one of the best places to live. It's wealthy and diverse, there's DC and the CIA but drive half an hour and your're in the mountain range. ...but World and Nation over state.
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    Re: State vs Federal citizenship

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    Unfortunately, that appears to be less and less of an option, the more I look into it. Apparently, unless something changes in the near future, you folks are stuck with me for at least a while.

    Now, as for my response.... I said American, which to me means something very different than it does to most people. My allegiance is to a nation that once was and hopefully will be again, not the one I live in today.
    Islands are a bit pricy these days. You should think bigger like your own asteriod, or moon, or even bigger, planet. I have already claimed Mars for my people though so that one is out. There is though Venus or Mercury if you like warmer climes. The Moon is conviently located and has an excellent view.
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    Re: State vs Federal citizenship

    Quote Originally Posted by gavinfielder View Post
    For those that live in the US, on what level of organization in the US do you most sociopolitically identify yourself? Do you have more pride in your nation, your state, or local community?

    EDIT: As an expanded discussion, how important do you think it is to be politically or socially engaged on the state or local level?
    I am a proud if somewhat disinfranchized Californian first, and proud American second. However soon I will be a proud Martian.
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