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    Re: Academia vs Joe Sixpack

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    one semester I took 21 hours.
    One semester I took 18, grad (including a med lab, gm for crops), UF, and left 2-3 weeks early to speak in Europe.

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    Re: Academia vs Joe Sixpack

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Upper level science class, I suppose. Spending that kind of time on undergrad liberal arts is thinking the prof cares much more than they do, I figure.
    No, it paid off. Trust me. I worked 30 x's harder in the history department than I did in the education/special education departments, and about 2 x's as hard in that department as I did in the political science department. 12 credits in history and political science meant I saw no one, and had to force myself to get a break or two. "History is a sea of books....swim" as one of our professors taught us.
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    Re: Academia vs Joe Sixpack

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    I have no problem with well-educated anyone in government. I just think that a balance is needed. Not purely theorists, nor purely pragmatists.
    The choice should not be between purely theoretical or "purely pragmatic". I don't see what's pragmatic about being uneducated, but let's leave that aside for now. Even the intent of the OP is not about choosing specifically between college professors and whatever Joe Sixpack does for a living (before Sarah Palin came along). The OP is about choosing between the educated and the uneducated. And there is nothing that the uneducated bring to the table in governance that the educated do not.
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    Re: Academia vs Joe Sixpack

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    The OP is about choosing between the educated and the uneducated. And there is nothing that the uneducated bring to the table in governance that the educated do not.
    No. The op is about adacemia vs Joe Sixpack. It isn't about educated vs uneducated.
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    Re: Academia vs Joe Sixpack

    Academia is not pragmatic? Applied science.

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    Re: Academia vs Joe Sixpack

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    More simplistic populist, mass democratic nonsense meant to stroke your egos.

    Joe Sixpack doesn't live in the consequential real-world of complex financial institutions, international diplomacy, and so forth. They are stuck to their localities, if that. How much more fantasy-land can you get than that? Is it any wonder why we had bred people like Henry Stimson?



    Wilson is practically the Godfather for modern bureaucratic structure and civil service. He wasn't just some idealistic schmuck that screwed over the Fourteen Points and made the hopelessly naive sentiments about the last Great war among men.
    And yet many tenured academics get their position by politics, who they know, or merely by keeping their head down low and supporting the right political department head. My wife is an English professor. I have the pleasure of meeting with their happy cohort on occasion. Most of them...I wouldnt trust with deciding anything more important than sock color.

    We cant merely assume that the professor in a typical Ivy league setting is any more or less 'intelligent' than Joe Six Pack. At best, we can assume they have been presented academic opportunities in a very specific field of study and capitalized on it in a purely academic setting. Whether that knowledge and experience translates to practical use or the ability to govern...thats a helluva stretch.

    Its not a knock on academics. I have an uncle who is an engineer. Dood cant carry on a conversation with common folk...thinks on a different plane...think a less geeky version of the Sheldon character from The Big Bang Theory. A close in-law was a literal rocket scientist. Couldnt fix a car, change oil, repair anything around the house and frankly wasnt blessed with 'common sense'. At the same time...one of the smartest men I know is a blue collar machinist.

    Picking one or the other is rather silly IMO. I'd bet we could find 535 intelligent and qualified academics. I'm also certain we could find 535 average Joes.

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    Re: Academia vs Joe Sixpack

    Quote Originally Posted by longview View Post
    I think the average Joe deserves more credit. and could learn how to govern effectively.
    The University Professors might tend to be more ideologues.
    It has been my experience that most PhDs make poor managers.
    They can be very good in their own area of expertise, but hubris leads them to
    believe that makes them good in all areas of Human knowledge
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    My experience has been that many business types who are successful - as in making s***loads of money - have exactly the problem mentioned. Never understood how someone who made his fortune in manufacturing one rather specific item thought that his experience made him someone to listen to in a totally unrelated field. Simply because you have been successful in managing an urban area property company does not mean you have some innate ability to fly small planes or skipper a yacht but I run into such idiots on a weekly basis.

    Naturally, the same criteria should be applied to those professorial types who can waffle on and on about string theory or the geology of the Alberta tar sands while holding zero concept of the difficulties involved in political manoeuvring with opponents in some legislative body.
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    Re: Academia vs Joe Sixpack

    Quote Originally Posted by RadicalModerate View Post
    This thread makes me lol. Joe Spaghetti-Stain is the same doofus who every four or eight years switches from defense of the status quo to opposition to it when nothing really ever changes. He's the brain-dead moron who gets a hard on from Romney or Obama's empty platitudes and glittering generalities.

    I understand the point that the intellectual elite aren't equipped to run the country solo, but the main point should be those who can collect, organize and analyze the data should be the ones providing the data to the average cheeze-whiz drinkin' Joe to make a (hopefully) somewhat informed decision.
    Leadership is just another word for management. We have intellectuals, soldiers, workers, number crunchers, strategists, programmers, industrialists, salesmen, and all kinds of useful people, and they all have their place. The leader we need is the one who can bring all of those people together for the benefit of the nation. It doesn't take an intellectual to do this, and it's a requirement that's above the ability of the average person. Management of people is a skill not many have. We like to think we all have it, but we don't. Not on that scale. We need a higher level logistics manager, or a Sergeant Major, someone who knows people, and knows how to put them to the best use on a very large scale.
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    Re: Academia vs Joe Sixpack

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    Smart people, obviously. We didn't get to where we are now by having idiots in positions of power.
    We're in the middle of a global economic crisis. I beg to differ with your evaluation.
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    Re: Academia vs Joe Sixpack

    Academentia is not the intelligentsia. Its inmates are more like the corrupt and totalitarian cardinals of the Middle Ages and Spanish Inquisition, as opposed to saints such as Thomas Aquinas, Francis of Assisi and Joan of Arc. They spend their formative years in unnatural living conditions, always isolated from reality. The resulting pathetic and passive personalities lead them to conform to seductive but simplistic fads. After years of this mental rape room, the academented wind up narrow-minded, intolerant, and stubbornly resistant to changing when results don't come out the way their theories tell them they should.
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