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    Re: Academia vs Joe Sixpack

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    For example, take an agriculturist and a ecologist.
    I'll take the job. I'm an agricultural ecologist. I think we should weight heavily towards interdisciplinary degrees.

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    Re: Academia vs Joe Sixpack

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    No, I agree with your definition, but I don't agree with your assessment that a college grad = a member of academia. Most of those who graduate from college, progress on to jobs which are not research or academic-related. Engineers, doctors, nurses, architects, etc. The academics are the ones who are teaching and researching.
    That seems like splitting hairs. I think someone who has gone to a higher learning facility and has earned a degree in a field would be considered an "academic".

    And by the way, engineers, doctors and nurses DO actively do research.

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    Re: Academia vs Joe Sixpack

    Quote Originally Posted by longview View Post
    I think the average Joe deserves more credit. and could learn how to govern effectively.
    The University Professors might tend to be more ideologues.
    It has been my experience that most PhDs make poor managers.
    They can be very good in their own area of expertise, but hubris leads them to
    believe that makes them good in all areas of Human knowledge.
    Part of the PhD is management, at least in the hard sciences. The PhD doesn't make them "good in all areas of Human Knowledge", but it does demonstrate the ability for critical thinking, assimilation, projection, adaptability, etc.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Academia vs Joe Sixpack

    Quote Originally Posted by RadicalModerate View Post
    That seems like splitting hairs. I think someone who has gone to a higher learning facility and has earned a degree in a field would be considered an "academic".

    And by the way, engineers, doctors and nurses DO actively do research.
    I wouldn't say that. An Associates or Bachelors degree doesn't make one an academic. Masters....kinda, there are research Masters. But mostly we're talking about PhD students, Post-Docs, and Professors as the academics.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Academia vs Joe Sixpack

    Quote Originally Posted by Gina View Post
    I'm no academic snob, but the great majority of average Joes and Josephines who attend some level of government meeting, are only angry. They often don't have a clear or practical idea to offer in response to the issue that spurred them to voice their opinion. Once they get up to speed on it, they usually peel off, back to their lives, leaving a small core of really concerned citizens and their representatives, to figure it out. I've seen it on many occasions.

    I'm not saying all PhD's are whiz's at this stuff either, but they are useful in that some have expertise that can be tapped for information leading to solutions.

    In the end, it takes people interested and able to work at it to make government work.
    I can see that, it would be bad to have a government made up of home owner association types.
    I am not sure the business of Government would keep the PhDs interested ether.

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    Re: Academia vs Joe Sixpack

    Quote Originally Posted by longview View Post
    It has been my experience that most PhDs make poor managers.
    Teamwork and presentation skill development doesn't even begin until grad school.

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    Re: Academia vs Joe Sixpack

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    What's theoretical about a biologist who works in a lab in a hospital? What's theoretical about a lawyer who defends indigent defendants in court, or one who fights to uphold contract law? What's theoretical about a computer engineer who designs the products that run this very forum? What's theoretical about a behavioral psychologist who models human behavior enough to produce successful marketing campaigns?

    I'm not sure exactly what you think people do with their advanced degrees after they get them. Most don't stay in academia and become professors. They put their skills to good use, in extremely non-theoretical ways.

    I think you are buying into a false image in this assertion.
    The world of academia is the world of educational pursuit and learning, not application of said learning. The examples you give are not working in the world of academia. The research biologist is working for a hospital, not an institution of learning. Academia is comprised of professors and researchers within the educational system.
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    Re: Academia vs Joe Sixpack

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I wouldn't say that. An Associates or Bachelors degree doesn't make one an academic. Masters....kinda, there are research Masters. But mostly we're talking about PhD students, Post-Docs, and Professors as the academics.
    Again, that just seems like a personal opinion on the matter.

    A bachelor degree is a type of academic degree, just like a PhD is.

    I don't see a difference beyond levels of expertise.

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    Re: Academia vs Joe Sixpack

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    Intellectuals. It's not even a contest.
    We have intellectuals running it now. Nuff said.
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    Re: Academia vs Joe Sixpack

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    We have intellectuals running it now. Nuff said.
    No, we have unqualified businessmen and douchebag lawyers running it.

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