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    Re: Academia vs Joe Sixpack

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    Smart people, obviously. We didn't get to where we are now by having idiots in positions of power.
    The problem is that "intellectual" doesn't mean "smart". Some of the smartest people I have known are socially inept, and completely out of touch with the real world. They can do math and science **** like crazy, but they would make for lousy leaders and representatives.
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    Re: Academia vs Joe Sixpack

    This thread makes me lol. Joe Spaghetti-Stain is the same doofus who every four or eight years switches from defense of the status quo to opposition to it when nothing really ever changes. He's the brain-dead moron who gets a hard on from Romney or Obama's empty platitudes and glittering generalities.

    I understand the point that the intellectual elite aren't equipped to run the country solo, but the main point should be those who can collect, organize and analyze the data should be the ones providing the data to the average cheeze-whiz drinkin' Joe to make a (hopefully) somewhat informed decision.

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    Re: Academia vs Joe Sixpack

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    I'd prefer to have a mix, as a strictly academic body would lack in practicality and sense, but a strictly Joe Sixpack body would lack some understanding of intricacies.
    I don't really understand why people think that. What exactly is lacking sense about scholarly pursuits? Academics have to pay their mortgages just like everyone else. They had to pay for their education, often by saving up for it, or by managing substantial amounts of debt without being overwhelmed. What's impractical about that? What will a plumber learn about business that a lawyer who works for himself or starts a small firm will not? Both must attract clients, manage the finances of their business, and sell their talents. What about their experiences are so different that one has "practicality and sense" and the other does not?

    As for Joe Sixpack, considering how much of our population doesn't know the first thing about actual governance, law, or have even read the constitution, I would not want any of them to wield any political power. Lawmaking is a complex profession, and requires extensive training before a person is qualified to fill that job. It's a job, like any other, and you don't hire someone without the requisite knowledge to do the job.
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    Re: Academia vs Joe Sixpack

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    I don't really understand why people think that. What exactly is lacking sense about scholarly pursuits?
    It's a world of ideas and theoretical concepts, without the application of such. Don't get me wrong- I love intellectual pursuit and the discussion of ideas, otherwise I would not be here, but we also need some people who are living on the other end of the spectrum, to bring some balance.
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    Re: Academia vs Joe Sixpack

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    It's a world of ideas and theoretical concepts, without the application of such. Don't get me wrong- I love intellectual pursuit and the discussion of ideas, otherwise I would not be here, but we also need some people who are living on the other end of the spectrum, to bring some balance.
    Seems to me that, at least nowadays, most of our graduate programs require some sort of real-world experience or application of skills to get a diploma? I might be wrong...

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    Re: Academia vs Joe Sixpack

    Quote Originally Posted by longview View Post
    I think the average Joe deserves more credit. and could learn how to govern effectively.
    The University Professors might tend to be more ideologues.
    It has been my experience that most PhDs make poor managers.
    They can be very good in their own area of expertise, but hubris leads them to
    believe that makes them good in all areas of Human knowledge.
    I'm no academic snob, but the great majority of average Joes and Josephines who attend some level of government meeting, are only angry. They often don't have a clear or practical idea to offer in response to the issue that spurred them to voice their opinion. Once they get up to speed on it, they usually peel off, back to their lives, leaving a small core of really concerned citizens and their representatives, to figure it out. I've seen it on many occasions.

    I'm not saying all PhD's are whiz's at this stuff either, but they are useful in that some have expertise that can be tapped for information leading to solutions.

    In the end, it takes people interested and able to work at it to make government work.

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    Re: Academia vs Joe Sixpack

    Quote Originally Posted by RadicalModerate View Post
    Seems to me that, at least nowadays, most of our graduate programs require some sort of real-world experience or application of skills to get a diploma? I might be wrong...
    I'm not referring to grads. Those are not what we consider in the academic arena.
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    Re: Academia vs Joe Sixpack

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    I'm not referring to grads. Those are not what we consider in the academic arena.
    ???

    "Academia is the community of students and scholars engaged in higher education and research."

    What are "we" considering academic, then? Internet researchers?

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    Re: Academia vs Joe Sixpack

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    It's a world of ideas and theoretical concepts, without the application of such. Don't get me wrong- I love intellectual pursuit and the discussion of ideas, otherwise I would not be here, but we also need some people who are living on the other end of the spectrum, to bring some balance.
    What's theoretical about a biologist who works in a lab in a hospital? What's theoretical about a lawyer who defends indigent defendants in court, or one who fights to uphold contract law? What's theoretical about a computer engineer who designs the products that run this very forum? What's theoretical about a behavioral psychologist who models human behavior enough to produce successful marketing campaigns?

    I'm not sure exactly what you think people do with their advanced degrees after they get them. Most don't stay in academia and become professors. They put their skills to good use, in extremely non-theoretical ways.

    I think you are buying into a false image in this assertion.
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    Re: Academia vs Joe Sixpack

    Quote Originally Posted by RadicalModerate View Post
    ???

    "Academia is the community of students and scholars engaged in higher education and research."

    What are "we" considering academic, then? Internet researchers?
    No, I agree with your definition, but I don't agree with your assessment that a college grad = a member of academia. Most of those who graduate from college, progress on to jobs which are not research or academic-related. Engineers, doctors, nurses, architects, etc. The academics are the ones who are teaching and researching.
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