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Thread: Academia vs Joe Sixpack

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    Re: Academia vs Joe Sixpack

    Quote Originally Posted by Hare View Post
    A recent quip by a fellow poster here inspired me to create this poll. Bear with me, while it may seem patently absurd to some, it is strictly for my own amusement and serves only as a sociopolitical barometer of sorts. Would you rather our governing body be comprised of the faculty of various Ivy league and highly accredited academic institutions (i.e. Harvard, MIT, Stanford etc.) or the first 535 individuals selected at random from your local phonebook?
    I noticed you did not say "randomly selected" academia types, only about Joe Sixpack. So its not a fair straight up question. IF it were entirely random for both, I'd go with Joe Sixpack, as they could hire appropriate expertise and they would instead be setting policy standards, not the details.

    Josephine and Joe Sixpack (a demeaning way to put it) more live in the real world rather than the zippy pinhead fantasy ideological world of academic eggheads.

    We do not need another dogmatic Woodrow Wilson ideologue. We need another Eisenhower pragmatic manager.

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    Re: Academia vs Joe Sixpack

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Josephine and Joe Sixpack (a demeaning way to put it) more live in the real world rather than the zippy pinhead fantasy ideological world of academic eggheads.
    More simplistic populist, mass democratic nonsense meant to stroke your egos.

    Joe Sixpack doesn't live in the consequential real-world of complex financial institutions, international diplomacy, and so forth. They are stuck to their localities, if that. How much more fantasy-land can you get than that? Is it any wonder why we had bred people like Henry Stimson?

    We do not need another dogmatic Woodrow Wilson ideologue. We need another Eisenhower pragmatic manager.
    Wilson is practically the Godfather for modern bureaucratic structure and civil service. He wasn't just some idealistic schmuck that screwed over the Fourteen Points and made the hopelessly naive sentiments about the last Great war among men.
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    Re: Academia vs Joe Sixpack

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    More simplistic populist, mass democratic nonsense meant to stroke your egos. kinda agree with this here

    Joe Sixpack doesn't live in the consequential real-world of complex financial institutions,neither do most ivy league intellectuals, with no life experience outside of a school campus international diplomacy, and so forth. They are stuck to their localities, if that. How much more fantasy-land can you get than that? Is it any wonder why we had bred people like Henry Stimson?



    Wilson is practically the Godfather for modern bureaucratic structure and civil service. He wasn't just some idealistic schmuck that screwed over the Fourteen Points and made the hopelessly naive sentiments about the last Great war among men.
    Calling Wilson the godfather of the bureaucratic structure is really not a compliment

    Basically trying to decide from either of the 2 groups is a waste, acedemia types tend to live in their ivory towers with no clue on how things work outside of academia, Joe sixpack same thing, if we are going with stereotypes, they know more about nascar, NFL stats than real world problems. BTW I am assumign stereotypes based upon the poll question, not all of academia is out of touch proffessor types and not all of the working class (what I am assuming is the joe sixpack term means) is incapable of thinking intelligently on all subjects.
    How about you try and get the best qualified regardless of whether they are form academia, NFL stadium seat warmers or whatever.
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    Re: Academia vs Joe Sixpack

    Quote Originally Posted by Quag View Post
    Calling Wilson the godfather of the bureaucratic structure is really not a compliment

    Basically trying to decide from either of the 2 groups is a waste, acedemia types tend to live in their ivory towers with no clue on how things work outside of academia, Joe sixpack same thing, if we are going with stereotypes, they know more about nascar, NFL stats than real world problems. BTW I am assumign stereotypes based upon the poll question, not all of academia is out of touch proffessor types and not all of the working class (what I am assuming is the joe sixpack term means) is incapable of thinking intelligently on all subjects.
    How about you try and get the best qualified regardless of whether they are form academia, NFL stadium seat warmers or whatever.
    Bureaucracy is great. Reorganization attempts are what suck. The people listen to their politicians feeding them the same nonsense about bureaucracy when it's not really true. It's one of the best things to happen.
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    Re: Academia vs Joe Sixpack

    Quote Originally Posted by Surtr View Post
    I'd rather have people who are qualified for the job, so probably neither.
    Anyone who is actually qualified for the job probably wouldn't want to do it in the first place.
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    Re: Academia vs Joe Sixpack

    Quote Originally Posted by Universal Truth View Post
    I'm going to be honest 535 random individuals. That would clear out all this corruption and insanity currently going on, sure our nation would economically collapse, but that's just waiting to happen. The sooner the better. After that we could rebuild.

    All the people saying intellectuals. Ivy League does not = intellectual. Ivy League = rich family (in most cases)
    Not necessarily so for the faculties of top-level universities - they don't make as much money as their students tend to at 10 years past graduation.
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    Re: Academia vs Joe Sixpack

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Anyone who is actually qualified for the job probably wouldn't want to do it in the first place.
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    Re: Academia vs Joe Sixpack

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    Bureaucracy is great. Reorganization attempts are what suck. The people listen to their politicians feeding them the same nonsense about bureaucracy when it's not really true. It's one of the best things to happen.
    I would call it more a necessary evil that must be constantly watched to keep it from going out of control.
    When bureaucracy works right it is very advantageous way of getting things organized. Often it gets to a point where it spends more time trying to grow itself than actually accomplishing anything, or stuck on following bureaucratic procedure despite the obvious mal application to the situation at hand, etc etc...
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    Re: Academia vs Joe Sixpack

    Quote Originally Posted by celticwar17 View Post
    Average joes by a long-shot. They would most likely be more grounded with reality of human nature and have had more experience with real life.
    What makes you think academia does not have experience with real life?

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    Re: Academia vs Joe Sixpack

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    More simplistic populist, mass democratic nonsense meant to stroke your egos.

    Joe Sixpack doesn't live in the consequential real-world of complex financial institutions, international diplomacy, and so forth. They are stuck to their localities, if that. How much more fantasy-land can you get than that? Is it any wonder why we had bred people like Henry Stimson?



    Wilson is practically the Godfather for modern bureaucratic structure and civil service. He wasn't just some idealistic schmuck that screwed over the Fourteen Points and made the hopelessly naive sentiments about the last Great war among men.
    Joe Sixpack as you are want to call him run most of the small and mid sized buisness in the US, it would be unwise to dicount their capablitity. I will take randomly selected people out of the directory than what we have now. I have found that Academic types must be tempered with the us regular types, as they tend to focus too narrorowly to be as effective as their their potential to be. As far Woodrow Wilson, Fiddy the man was a sadst. If he was alive today I would personaly take steps to remove him from the world permanately. He jailed people for speach and opposing his views. The Nazi party took their cues from him. That aint hyperbole they said it themselves they took their cues from him. That SOB was as anti Constitution as Obama and probably more so. He was a pox on our country.
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