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    Re: Academia vs Joe Sixpack

    following an earlier attack on university professors, the "academic elites", I posted the following

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    WOW! You really had problems in college didn't you?


    My experience was somewhat different, I must say. I had professors who were knowledgeable and communicated the class subject in ways that we could comprehend, I had professors who were knowledgeable yet were unable to teach and I had a couple of profs who followed their political ideology more than the subject they were supposed to be teaching.

    This nonsense that "all college professors are liberal know it alls" is nothing more than garbage. Academics are humans, there are great ones, there are good ones, there are mediocre ones, there are bad ones and there are a few who should not be allowed into a classroom with human students -- but every time I read something like the following: "professors are the worst case of people developing in childish conditions" I know that the person writing such a statement rather obviously did not have a good experience in university, for whatever reason.
    I have cut part of the reply to my comment but the remainder is sufficient to show a complete and utter lack of knowledge about university education, it does nothing but reinforce my earlier statement.
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    Trying to avoid the main issue I have? The university is an obsolete aristocratic institution (the term "prep school" means prepare for college). In a society that needs class mobility in order to survive, one based on worth not birth, this relic of the Middle Ages must be replaced with highly paid professional education.

    Yeah - I really 'enjoyed' the daily task of correcting the notes and report my PhD Chemistry boss submitted to our superiors - the man was a good chemist and a decent supervisor but he couldn't write three words without mis-spelling two of them.

    Far too many "highly-paid professionals" are unable to communicate with anyone outside of their profession, far too many of these "highly-paid professionals" have zero knowledge of the world outside of their chosen profession and often exhibit a weird willingness to accept the most absurd beliefs simply because they don't know enough to realise the absurdity.

    Yes, we need engineers and chemists and physicists and computer scientists, just like we need attorneys and car salesmen and postal carriers, and all of them and all of the rest of us need to learn about stuff outside of our narrow little workaday world. Being really good at one very specific task does not automatically make a person a qualified citizen, does not create a person who should be telling other people how to do their jobs.
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    Re: Academia vs Joe Sixpack

    Quote Originally Posted by wolfman24 View Post
    Or never went to college and as a result doesn't know about it except what the right wing nuts cakes tell him.

    My experiences were very simlar to yours. College is where I grew up because the atmosphere academic and social gave me the chance to grown out of my singular view of the world into a more expanded view of life.

    College is 40% education and 60% socialization
    How could you grow up if you were living like a teenager and barely scraping by on part-time jobs? You're just trying to justify sacrificing your youth by claiming it made you mature.
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    Re: Academia vs Joe Sixpack

    Quote Originally Posted by PrometheusBound View Post
    How could you grow up if you were living like a teenager and barely scraping by on part-time jobs? You're just trying to justify sacrificing your youth by claiming it made you mature.
    How could you possibly know what my life experiences were before or after. Were you there? Please stop placing your values and views into my life I don't do it to you and you have no right to do it to me. I meant exactly what I said and there is no way for you to know one way or the other.
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    Re: Academia vs Joe Sixpack

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    Yeah - I really 'enjoyed' the daily task of correcting the notes and report my PhD Chemistry boss submitted to our superiors - the man was a good chemist and a decent supervisor but he couldn't write three words without mis-spelling two of them.
    And so he got a spelling monkey. Identified a problem, identified a solution, enacted solution, seems all rather fit to me.

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    Far too many "highly-paid professionals" are unable to communicate with anyone outside of their profession, far too many of these "highly-paid professionals" have zero knowledge of the world outside of their chosen profession and often exhibit a weird willingness to accept the most absurd beliefs simply because they don't know enough to realise the absurdity.
    This door swings both ways. Though can you quantify this "far too many highly-paid professionals are unable to communicate..."? Or is it something that you've made up?

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    Yes, we need engineers and chemists and physicists and computer scientists, just like we need attorneys and car salesmen and postal carriers, and all of them and all of the rest of us need to learn about stuff outside of our narrow little workaday world. Being really good at one very specific task does not automatically make a person a qualified citizen, does not create a person who should be telling other people how to do their jobs.
    The intellectual, the academic, may not have all knowledge under their belt; but what they have demonstrated further than most others is the ability to think, adapt, and understand.
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    Re: Academia vs Joe Sixpack

    People who are honest, humble, and actually give a damn about America's future and well-being.

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    Re: Academia vs Joe Sixpack

    Academia no doubt....


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