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Thread: Academia vs Joe Sixpack

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    Re: Academia vs Joe Sixpack

    Most definitely neither.
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    Re: Academia vs Joe Sixpack

    I prefer them to be skilled, professional politicians. I do not presume the that the intellectual community is somehow without faults, because it's definitely not (perhaps the smartest dumb people out there), but I am not of mind to believe in the faculties of the regular person. I'm more hesitant to be that much of a believer in mass democracy. I'm more of an elitist.
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    Re: Academia vs Joe Sixpack

    Quote Originally Posted by Sonic View Post
    A mixture of the two. Why go black and white on the issue? We need some academics, but also some average Joe's so the government doesn't get out of touch with the majority of our population.
    I'd have to agree with having some of both. Of course, you'd need the average joes to be equipped to listen to what the academics say. Not to necessarily do what they say, but at least to understand


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    Re: Academia vs Joe Sixpack

    I want doctors in charge of health policy, I want engineers in charge of infrastructure, I want biologists and ecologists in charge of the EPA, I want economists in charge of commerce regulation and I want accountants in charge of budgets. I guess that makes me a technocrat.

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    Re: Academia vs Joe Sixpack

    Quote Originally Posted by Hare View Post
    A recent quip by a fellow poster here inspired me to create this poll. Bear with me, while it may seem patently absurd to some, it is strictly for my own amusement and serves only as a sociopolitical barometer of sorts. Would you rather our governing body be comprised of the faculty of various Ivy league and highly accredited academic institutions (i.e. Harvard, MIT, Stanford etc.) or the first 535 individuals selected at random from your local phonebook?
    We live in a representative democracy because that is the best form of government in which to form a social contract.

    Therefore, I would prefer it that our government be representative of both academics as well as "Joe Sixpacks".
    Also, we need to legalize recreational drugs and prostitution.

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    Re: Academia vs Joe Sixpack

    Quote Originally Posted by Hare View Post
    A recent quip by a fellow poster here inspired me to create this poll. Bear with me, while it may seem patently absurd to some, it is strictly for my own amusement and serves only as a sociopolitical barometer of sorts. Would you rather our governing body be comprised of the faculty of various Ivy league and highly accredited academic institutions (i.e. Harvard, MIT, Stanford etc.) or the first 535 individuals selected at random from your local phonebook?
    Many of our elected officials attended ivy league schools,many of them are lawyers, some of them are doctors and some are of other professions that require advance schooling.So those voting for Academic Faculty should ask themselves how good a job are these people doing right now.


    Personally I want a mix of people seeing how this is a representative democracy. I also want strict term limits to eliminate professional politicians.The professional politician is what is wrong with this country right now.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Academia vs Joe Sixpack

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    I prefer them to be skilled, professional politicians. I do not presume the that the intellectual community is somehow without faults, because it's definitely not (perhaps the smartest dumb people out there), but I am not of mind to believe in the faculties of the regular person. I'm more hesitant to be that much of a believer in mass democracy. I'm more of an elitist.
    The problem with a technocracy is when different spheres of technical knowledge interferes with each other.

    For example, take an agriculturist and a ecologist.

    An agriculturist would want to grow as much food as possible for people. Such includes the clearing of wilderness to use as farmland as well as the use of pesticides to acquire the highest yield of food.

    However, an ecologist is concerned solely with maintaining the natural ecosystem and wildlife of flora and fauna.

    And so, despite both being of intellectual scholars of academic learning, their agendas are somewhat in opposition to each other.

    Such opposition must be resolved in order to determine which policy the government should pursue.

    And that's what we have politicians for - to decide such policy of allocating limited resources despite opposing interests that differ on how resources should be used.

    Which is why we need generalists to manage all those more technically skilled bureaucrats so that the whole can function despite the internal opposition among its components.
    Also, we need to legalize recreational drugs and prostitution.

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    Re: Academia vs Joe Sixpack

    I find choices between two extremes to be pointless. Neither choice is suitable or workable in my opinion. Some Joe Sixpacks are shrewd and streetmart and practical and have good IQ's if not academic credentials. But you wouldn't want an entire Congress comprised of them. Same goes for the Academics. Real world practical experience is meaningful. Living your life in a thinktank isn't useful.
    It may be that your sole purpose in life is simply to serve as a warning to others.

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    Re: Academia vs Joe Sixpack

    Quote Originally Posted by jambalaya View Post
    I find choices between two extremes to be pointless. Neither choice is suitable or workable in my opinion. Some Joe Sixpacks are shrewd and streetmart and practical and have good IQ's if not academic credentials. But you wouldn't want an entire Congress comprised of them. Same goes for the Academics. Real world practical experience is meaningful. Living your life in a thinktank isn't useful.
    Aaaaand that pretty much wraps it up.

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    Re: Academia vs Joe Sixpack

    I prefer the intellectual. If you did pick from the phone book (literally) you'd get a huge amount of elderly people. A lot of younger people tend to not have land line phones nowadays. I know this from helping with polls, LOL.
    "The measure off intelligence is the ability to change." Albert Einstein

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