View Poll Results: Do you prefer physical labor to mental? (Assume equal pay.)

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  • I prefer physical labor.

    18 35.29%
  • I prefer physical labor only if my workmates are of similar physique to me.

    3 5.88%
  • I prefer mental labor only if my workmates are of similar mental capacity to me.

    5 9.80%
  • I prefer mental labor.

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    Re: How do you like physical labor for a living?

    Quote Originally Posted by Connery View Post
    I believe he may be under some delusion that living a life without work is something good. There is vast loneliness, lack of meaningful challenge and brain rot. I have known a few "trust" babies in my time and their lives were anything but ideal. Many seemed to be searching for purpose and wound up spending their time in an alcohol/drug induced haze or getting lost in some other emotional difficulties. Others found that being industrious and being contributing members of society was more fulfilling than sitting around doing nothing of substance.
    Some people though are lazy and feel morally superior because of their ideology. Or some people only consider working for someone else as 'work'. It reminds me of people that I knew in my youth. They lived to party. Everyday they woke up (if they went to bed) and spent the entire day trying to figure out how to obtain party materials. I went partying with them a few days once and I found it to be a lot of trouble and work. Weekend over I was happy to go back to my job and leave their lifestyle to them. I mean its a lot harder to figure out each day how to get drugs/alcohol and food without stealing it than going to work each day 8+ hours. I tried to tell them that but they did not want to work for someone else and be slaves. Lol naive people are funny. Their life is much harder and stressful just because they perceive the world a different way than we do.

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    Re: How do you like physical labor for a living?

    I recently read "Shop Class as Soulcraft by Matthew B. Crawford".

    He makes quite a few good points. One point is today's lack of Craftsmen. When Henry Ford built his mass production factory, his employees did not want to work there. He ended up having to pay them twice as much to get them to repetitively do a few quick tasks, as opposed to being someone that could build a complete automobile.

    I enjoyed working outside building houses from the foundation to the shingles when I was younger. By the time I re-invented myself, I was doing only the layout for the wall framing crew. The division of the home and apartment framing made the buildings go up much fasten, but I felt like a single cog as opposed to being a Journeyman Craftsman.

    The divisions of the residential construction became so repetitive that it was easy to learn how to do the one thing. Then came the Mexican explosion. They do all of that type of work now.

    I do miss being an in shape hard body. What got my attention was watching elderly men on the job site that had been reduced to picking up scrap lumber and throwing it into large scrap bins. I could see myself in the future and it wasn't pretty. I could tell by the repetitive motion pains that I had developed that I was heading towards the scrap labor crew.

    When I was in High School we had metal shop, woodworking shop, welding, auto body shop, and residential framing vocational classes. Now you have to go to a community technical college to learn those skills. That costs money. Money that you can't earn because you don't know how to do anything.

    Schools don't have the money for the vocations anymore. Football is very expensive.
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    Re: How do you like physical labor for a living?

    Quote Originally Posted by ab9924 View Post
    I hate work, all kinds of it. I was brought up to look down on it. But I am fascinated and puzzled by it, so I do it when I can, without the knowledge of the people around me. But what is interesting, really, is how closely work is intertwined with our very health. It appears, that the more work we do, the healthier we get. And non-physical labor doesn't help.

    So, now, that most non-physical jobs can be done over the internet outsourced for a petence, how about this for a replacement for those unsustainable liberal social programs.

    Everyone who doesn't have a job or business, would be classified into weight groups, like in sports, and then given physical labor tasks with his/her group-mates. These tasks would include all labor that is physical, such as road maintenance, industrial trash collection, environmental clean-up, construction, transportation loading/off-loading, and so on. The people would be rotated between job types and sites daily, as well as between teams occassionally.

    This would give everyone a healthy body, happy life, and an opportunity to meet new people. This would provide a valuable infrastructure support service, as well as a possible elimination of social program deficits. And I bet this beats retirement and mid-life too.

    So, what would be your opinion?

    In case this sounds communistic, it is not my intent, I am a conservative. But I like looking internationally for ideas and some of those communist countries did manage to make the low segment of society happier with well organized and managed large scale communal physical work. We could introduce it in the US, will eliminate obesity and stress, I bet.

    Would it make sense to sell this to the republican campaign?

    I enjoy hard work. Unfortunately under Dr.s Orders I'm not supposed to pick up anything over 20 lbs.

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    Re: How do you like physical labor for a living?

    Quote Originally Posted by ab9924 View Post
    But isn't it still better than the government getting you fat (and dependent) by those free cash handouts?
    The government doesn't make me or anyone else fat. That is the sole responsibility of the person living in that body.

    I certainly don't need the government's input as to what I choose to do for a living...physically or mentally.

    As long as I take care of myself and my loved ones, they can kindly butt out of my business.
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    Re: How do you like physical labor for a living?

    Quote Originally Posted by ab9924 View Post
    But isn't it still better than the government getting you fat (and dependent) by those free cash handouts?
    This is a very cockeyed perspective how do you reconcile one with the other?

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    Re: How do you like physical labor for a living?

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    Out of curiosity I must ask: if you do not work how do you make ends meet? Where do you get your shelter, clothes, food and all that? I realize that one does not need to buy everything but economically sometimes it makes better sense to buy somethings.

    Please clear this up because right now I envision you somehow as a bum or a loafer.
    I am far from being idle. The trustees got people who assembled my curriculum, which centers around learning how people think (I guess), even though my favorite subjects are the maths and piano classes, not where some teacher pushes the statistics of right/wrong answers off a million sigmas by his own personality when grading me. My curriculum builds on learning many languages, which is why I live in different countries every year.

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    I assume your family is independently wealthy or something?

    Most of us don't get the luxury of deciding WHETHER we want to have a job someday, you know.
    I am not wealthy, the trustees control all my accounts till I get 18. They check the receipts of everything I buy, they control my cash limits, they review my schedules, ... . But I can't complain, they have been reasonable with me. They provide me VPN for work/games, approve me to go for invitations, they even overlooked a few of my fibs too when I really wanted to go out with a girl. As long as I get grades that they approve of and I keep my lunch appointments at church when requested.

    Quote Originally Posted by Connery View Post
    I believe he may be under some delusion that living a life without work is something good. There is vast loneliness, lack of meaningful challenge and brain rot. I have known a few "trust" babies in my time and their lives were anything but ideal. Many seemed to be searching for purpose and wound up spending their time in an alcohol/drug induced haze or getting lost in some other emotional difficulties. Others found that being industrious and being contributing members of society was more fulfilling than sitting around doing nothing of substance.
    No I am not deluded (I hope), only I am afraid of people's inflated attitudes about work. Luckily nobody at this forum has that attitude. I kinda agree with the rest of your post, but that is all their fault, they forget what they are, that in essence it is out of the grace of the Lord that they are what they are, and not because of whatever they think. I usually remind them when they bitch (showing my absolute arrogance) to re-read Ephesians 2:10 which goes like we all do what (the Lord has) prepared for us IN ADVANCE to work at. They deserve their decline, they forgot that the Lord put them in charge of the land for the purpose of being a good host for the prosperity of that land (not themselves).

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    Some people though are lazy and feel morally superior because of their ideology. Or some people only consider working for someone else as 'work'. It reminds me of people that I knew in my youth. They lived to party. Everyday they woke up (if they went to bed) and spent the entire day trying to figure out how to obtain party materials. I went partying with them a few days once and I found it to be a lot of trouble and work. Weekend over I was happy to go back to my job and leave their lifestyle to them. I mean its a lot harder to figure out each day how to get drugs/alcohol and food without stealing it than going to work each day 8+ hours. I tried to tell them that but they did not want to work for someone else and be slaves. Lol naive people are funny. Their life is much harder and stressful just because they perceive the world a different way than we do.
    What do you mean working for someone else as "work" as opposed to not working for someone else as "work"?
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    Re: How do you like physical labor for a living?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheGirlNextDoor View Post
    The government doesn't make me or anyone else fat. That is the sole responsibility of the person living in that body.

    I certainly don't need the government's input as to what I choose to do for a living...physically or mentally.

    As long as I take care of myself and my loved ones, they can kindly butt out of my business.
    Well the OP proposal was for those people who are out of work and live on benefits, not you who takes care of her self/dependents.

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    Re: How do you like physical labor for a living?

    Quote Originally Posted by Connery View Post
    This is a very cockeyed perspective how do you reconcile one with the other?
    The obesity epidemic is dominant at the lower echelons of society, therefore it is reasonable to correlate that with their cash flow and derivative lifestyle.

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    Re: How do you like physical labor for a living?

    I cannot reply to this poll as I enjoy both depending on what the physical/mental labour is.
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    Re: How do you like physical labor for a living?

    Quote Originally Posted by ab9924 View Post
    The obesity epidemic is dominant at the lower echelons of society, therefore it is reasonable to correlate that with their cash flow and derivative lifestyle.

    I present for you viewing pleasure mining tycoon Gina Rinehart the richest woman in the world... The world is filled with rich upper echelon obese people.

    ... she smote my eye....

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