View Poll Results: Congress bears absolutely no responsibility for the economy

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    Re: Congress bears absolutely no responsibility for the economy

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    The EPA nor the FDA have anything to do with the Revolutionary War.
    you are deliberately misreading the point. the level of delegated legislative power that has been placed into the Executive branch is dangerously misbalancing, and serves only to protect politicians from backlash while leaving us without the ability to correct our government when it overreaches.

    Yeah Congress is such an effective body of experts in their field
    Neither is Congress made up of tactical experts. Perhaps only the military should have the power to declare war? Congress is also not made up of economists - maybe we should look into removing their ability to levy taxes.

    ....Or perhaps they could do their job and translate the will of the people into governance, taking into consideration the advice of expert bodies such as the JCS, the CBO and the various regulatory entities.

    So everybody should move to N Dakota?
    No. We should allow more states to be N Dakota in this regard.

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    Re: Congress bears absolutely no responsibility for the economy

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    you are deliberately misreading the point. the level of delegated legislative power that has been placed into the Executive branch is dangerously misbalancing, and serves only to protect politicians from backlash while leaving us without the ability to correct our government when it overreaches.
    Generalizations are just that.



    Neither is Congress made up of tactical experts. Perhaps only the military should have the power to declare war? Congress is also not made up of economists - maybe we should look into removing their ability to levy taxes.

    The EPA the FDA etc are still under the thumb and IMHO I wouldn't mind giving more authority to the military to determine their own needs. Might get rid of 700 toilet seats. Or Rumsfeld saying the war would last six months and pay for itself.


    ....Or perhaps they could do their job and translate the will of the people into governance, taking into consideration the advice of expert bodies such as the JCS, the CBO and the various regulatory entities.
    the "will of the people" is fickle. at one time it supported anti miscegenation laws.

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    Re: Congress bears absolutely no responsibility for the economy

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Congress bears absolutely no responsibility for the economy.

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    Uhhh, hell yes it does!
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    Re: Congress bears absolutely no responsibility for the economy

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Generalizations are just that.
    a response that means nothing.

    The EPA the FDA etc are still under the thumb and IMHO I wouldn't mind giving more authority to the military to determine their own needs. Might get rid of 700 toilet seats. Or Rumsfeld saying the war would last six months and pay for itself.
    No they aren't. Those agencies operate with legal sovereign immunity with law-making authority. Besides which, no one is saying all regulatory measures must come out of the Congress - only that all regulatory measures should go before a cost analysis, and those that are of a significant enough size to seriously affect our economy should be formally a product of our system of self government. The American people have the right to self government.

    the "will of the people" is fickle. at one time it supported anti miscegenation laws.
    yes and?

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    Re: Congress bears absolutely no responsibility for the economy

    Pretty sure Congress gives out the subsidies for corporations to have an unfair advantage with, the tax breaks, the earmarks, the bailouts and all the other goodies the lobbyists pay them for.

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    Re: Congress bears absolutely no responsibility for the economy

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    No they aren't. Those agencies operate with legal sovereign immunity with law-making authority. Besides which, no one is saying all regulatory measures must come out of the Congress - only that all regulatory measures should go before a cost analysis, and those that are of a significant enough size to seriously affect our economy should be formally a product of our system of self government. The American people have the right to self government.
    That would mean more bureaucracy

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    Re: Congress bears absolutely no responsibility for the economy

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    That would mean more bureaucracy
    actually that provides a powerful check to the spread of bureaucracy.

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    Re: Congress bears absolutely no responsibility for the economy

    Congress certainly bears responsibility for the economy along with other factors....

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    Re: Congress bears absolutely no responsibility for the economy

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    well that is not true. business still pay their half of payroll taxes, for example. but when speaking of corporate income, that is correct - has anyone suggested otherwise?
    The GOP bills to "help" the economy. They were all for axing the income tax rates. That was the context of the discussion, not payroll taxes.

    agreed, and the only actors here that would be effected would be those that were "losing" money or "not making money" via preferred "investments".
    What do you mean by "preferred investments?"
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    Re: Congress bears absolutely no responsibility for the economy

    The popular will is that they all need to be fired, maybe even the judicial branch too. The people don't have confidence in thier leaders but the structure is setup to where we will just blame the executive branch because I can put a face to George Bush or Barack Obama and then blame or praise them, but it isn't so easy to put a face to the legislative branch.

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