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Thread: The real source of our problems....

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    The real source of our problems....

    War is a business to them. If there is no war, they have to start one or they lose profits. Exorbitant profits.. OUR TAX DOLLARS>>>>>>"DEFENSE" SPENDING>>>>>TRILLIONS>>> MILITARY INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX. Do you honestly think we would be in any more "danger" had we not been at war the last two decades and spent zillions? Could you maybe see how they might have contrived these wars for profit and/or private agenda?

    Poll Question: Am I crazy to say that those who run the "military industrial complex" have hijacked our government and are sucking us dry?

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    Re: The real source of our problems....

    Yeah! Saddam never did anything wrong!

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    Re: The real source of our problems....

    you made another thread.

    I shall utter the same response.

    The majority of US debt comes from:

    -Big bank bailouts. Goldman Sachs, the Koch brothers, JP Morgan... those people.
    -Medical program failure...
    -social security and entitlement programs failure
    and least but not last.

    -military spending.

    In that order.

    That being said.. if you would solve the big banks problem and Wall street... you would have virtually only 33% of the debt the US is in now. I mean it.

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    Re: The real source of our problems....

    Quote Originally Posted by sKiTzo View Post
    War is a business to them. If there is no war, they have to start one or they lose profits. Exorbitant profits.. OUR TAX DOLLARS>>>>>>"DEFENSE" SPENDING>>>>>TRILLIONS>>> MILITARY INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX. Do you honestly think we would be in any more "danger" had we not been at war the last two decades and spent zillions? Could you maybe see how they might have contrived these wars for profit and/or private agenda?

    Poll Question: Am I crazy to say that those who run the "military industrial complex" have hijacked our government and are sucking us dry?
    If one looks past all the CAPS and bold phrases, your post boils down to: "Do you honestly think we would be in any more "danger" had we not been at war the last two decades"

    I think the answer is: Yes.
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    Re: The real source of our problems....

    Its politicians that create war not the military...the military only goes where politicians tell them or allow them to go, seems your complaints whether legitimate or not are misplaced. You should rail on the politicians who start war and who are in fact in charge of what the military does and where it goes.

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    Re: The real source of our problems....

    Quote Originally Posted by Rainman05 View Post
    you made another thread.

    I shall utter the same response.

    The majority of US debt comes from:

    -Big bank bailouts. Goldman Sachs, the Koch brothers, JP Morgan... those people.
    -Medical program failure...
    -social security and entitlement programs failure
    and least but not last.

    -military spending.

    In that order.

    That being said.. if you would solve the big banks problem and Wall street... you would have virtually only 33% of the debt the US is in now. I mean it.
    Considering the combined cost of the wars in afghanistan and iraq has been almost 4 trillion dollars, you're statement is entirely false. Unless you honestly believe we've given 4 trillion in bailouts?

    Not to mention these are the direct additional costs of running the wars, not the amount we pay for maintaining such a large military.
    Cost of war at least $3.7 trillion and counting | Reuters
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    I've got to say that it is shadenfreudalicious to see the rich and famous fucquewads on the coast suffering from the fires.

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    Re: The real source of our problems....

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    Its politicians that create war not the military...the military only goes where politicians tell them or allow them to go, seems your complaints whether legitimate or not are misplaced. You should rail on the politicians who start war and who are in fact in charge of what the military does and where it goes.
    The fact that you feel you need to explain that the military itself doesn't create war shows that you apparently do not understand the definition of the term "Military–industrial complex"

    This term includes the politicians, corporations, lobbyists, and other such relationships that decide when, where, how and with what war is waged.

    "Military–industrial complex, or military–industrial–congressional complex[1], is a concept commonly used to refer to policy and monetary relationships between legislators, national armed forces, and the defense industrial base that supports them. These relationships include political contributions, political approval for defense spending, lobbying to support bureaucracies, and oversight of the industry"
    Quote Originally Posted by LowDown View Post
    I've got to say that it is shadenfreudalicious to see the rich and famous fucquewads on the coast suffering from the fires.

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    Re: The real source of our problems....

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    Considering the combined cost of the wars in afghanistan and iraq has been almost 4 trillion dollars, you're statement is entirely false. Unless you honestly believe we've given 4 trillion in bailouts?

    Not to mention these are the direct additional costs of running the wars, not the amount we pay for maintaining such a large military.
    Cost of war at least $3.7 trillion and counting | Reuters
    Your post here is a ridiculous apples-to-oranges comparison, as you A) assume that 100% of spent money represents borrowed money and B) add in interest for that borrowed money to the cost and C) add in all future assessed liabilities. And that's before I get into the ridiculous nature of your source, which started with their conclusion and worked backwards.

    However, by the standards you have proposed, the wars cost $3.7 Trillion. Social Security costs more than $8.6 Trillion. And Medicare costs more than $38.6 Trillion (I have not included the interest for the debt for either of those, which needless to say would radically increase their score).





    The military is expensive. But it's not the thing driving our debt.

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    Re: The real source of our problems....

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Your post here is a ridiculous apples-to-oranges comparison, as you A) assume that 100% of spent money represents borrowed money and B) add in interest for that borrowed money to the cost and C) add in all future assessed liabilities. And that's before I get into the ridiculous nature of your source, which started with their conclusion and worked backwards.

    However, by the standards you have proposed, the wars cost $3.7 Trillion. Social Security costs more than $8.6 Trillion. And Medicare costs more than $38.6 Trillion (I have not included the interest for the debt for either of those, which needless to say would radically increase their score).


    [img]http://www.heritage.org/federalbudget/charts/2012/defense-entitlement-spending-680.jpg[/igm]


    The military is expensive. But it's not the thing driving our debt.
    It's not a ridiculous apples-oranges comparison to compare government expenditures in relation to government debt. Rainman05 made the statement that the bailouts were more than the wars, which is factually untrue, regardless of how you cut it.

    When you view the federal budget simply as net income and expenditures, all expenditures greater than income must become debt. Every single expenditure, from war, to bailouts, to medicare, to everything else, counts equally under expenditures.

    It's rather arbitrary to say "We charged the bailouts on the credit card but paid the war in cash."

    Lastly, are you really trying to assert that the war hasn't costed 3.7 billion dollars? Do I really require more sources?
    Quote Originally Posted by LowDown View Post
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    Re: The real source of our problems....

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    Considering the combined cost of the wars in afghanistan and iraq has been almost 4 trillion dollars, you're statement is entirely false. Unless you honestly believe we've given 4 trillion in bailouts?

    Not to mention these are the direct additional costs of running the wars, not the amount we pay for maintaining such a large military.
    Cost of war at least $3.7 trillion and counting | Reuters

    True, 4 tril dollars. Lets say all the money went to the debt thought, 4tril over 11 years means less than 400bil/year which is covered in the military spending approved by the budget.

    But lets say it went to the deficit... and thus, the debt.
    4 tril out of 16tril.

    We know that 2.5tril are from foreign nations... about 1.7tril is from china while the rest are from various European countries.

    So that still leaves 9.5tril unaccounted for... and that 9.5 comes from the bailouts to the banks. The entitlement programs. Everything I mentioned before.

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