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Thread: The real source of our problems....

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    Re: The real source of our problems....

    Even if social spending is indeed higher, military spending is still enormous and certainly plays a big role when it comes to government spending.
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    Re: The real source of our problems....

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    Of course you are. Defense contractors make their money in a variety of ways ranging from the development of new technologies to the maintenance of existing fleets. Heck, there are plenty of friendly foreign countries to sell military gear to, as well.

    In other words, they don't need us to go to war in order to make money, and considering our foreign policy of the last 40 years they certainly don't need a conspiracy in order to get us onto the battlefield -- all they have to do is be patient.
    As evidenced by incidents such as Gulf of Tonkin and USS Liberty, they don't have much patience.

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    Re: The real source of our problems....

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    I think the question is who has been controlling our foreign poilicy for the last 40 years? How much has the defense lobby influenced our decisons on what conflicts are in our own best interests?
    Precisely.

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    Re: The real source of our problems....

    cpwill ... Social security is fully self funded ... so it doesn't add to the deficit at all. You can fix any future issues by just removing the Cap.

    Medicare is also funded, it does have a minor problem, its called Medicare part D, which is nothing more than corporate welfare, also the ban on medicare negotiating price, which is rediculous and again nothing more than corporate welfare.

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    Re: The real source of our problems....

    Quote Originally Posted by sKiTzo View Post
    Aren't you that guy that I've debunked in numerous other threads?
    No im the guy who debunked you over and over and over again
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    Re: The real source of our problems....

    Quote Originally Posted by Voltaire X View Post
    There are dozens of dictators all over the world, many who are worse than Saddam. It certainly wasn't worth the cost. More Iraqis have died in insurgent attacks since we came in in 2003 than under Saddam.
    AMEN! People just can't comprehend this. These meaningless wars and the terrorist threat are fabrications designed to further private agendas. Would we not be far better off if we just worried about ourselves and protected our own borders? Not Israel, not Iraq, but the United States of America. The USA is who the USA should protect. How it got to be that we need to worry about Israel and put Israel's needs ahead of Americans is beyond me.

    Imagine that after desert storm we never involved ourselves over there. Add up all the money spent on this crap since after desert storm and add it back into our economy as if we never spent it. Bring back all of the soldiers as if they'd never died. We have nothing to prove and I'm quite certain nobody cares to challenge our military superiority so besides the trillions we would have saved and the lives we wouldn't have lost, WHAT WOULD BE DIFFERENT? Saddam would still be there (oh no jeez) Bottom line is that the only real differences are all positive and the negatives are all inconsequential. I don't care about Israel and after 911 and the USS Liberty we can surmise that they really don't like us either. I don't care if they all blow eachother up - those are decisions THEY have to make.

    Now how do we change out congress? They don't listen to us anymore and the way they deceptively pass bills that are unlawful and unconstitutional- THEY GOTTA GO!! I'm telling you if we let this continue we are just begging for trouble.
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    Re: The real source of our problems....

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    I know there are bad people everywhere. I can imagine a veterinary Captain believing he is the King of the World. I can imagine a 3-star general believing he is a minor deity.

    It is interesting to watch how long it takes for some of them to realize they are no longer general officers once they reenter civilian life. For some the transition is very quick and they succeed. For others it takes longer and people wonder why.
    Absolutely great post. I still say what i said, but you are absolutely right. the double dippers are the worst. they have never had to deal with civi's at that level or number and still think we should salute or bow whenever they walk by.
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    Re: The real source of our problems....

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    Yep. Try to report wasteful military spending to a congressman and they'll just laugh "Who doesn't, son?"
    When I worked for DOD our super was hiding our official environmental regulatory reports in her locked drawer which is not only a felony under RCRA (federal hazardous waste law) but she was puttin our butt on the line since we would have been held equally liable. go figure.
    So some of us reported what she was doing to our local congressmen with handwritten copies of the reports. the congressman tried to get something going in DC but all he could get was a congressal audit of the facility which went no where.
    We also reported this to the FBI and gave them copies of our notes which promptly got lost. somehow.

    Not saying this does not happen in other agencies but it just seemed so convinient as to how this all played out.
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    Re: The real source of our problems....

    War is a racket. How else you gonna keep the hundreds of defence contractors profitable and keep workers employed.

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    Re: The real source of our problems....

    Quote Originally Posted by sKiTzo View Post
    War is a business to them. If there is no war, they have to start one or they lose profits. Exorbitant profits.. OUR TAX DOLLARS>>>>>>"DEFENSE" SPENDING>>>>>TRILLIONS>>> MILITARY INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX. Do you honestly think we would be in any more "danger" had we not been at war the last two decades and spent zillions? Could you maybe see how they might have contrived these wars for profit and/or private agenda?

    Poll Question: Am I crazy to say that those who run the "military industrial complex" have hijacked our government and are sucking us dry?
    I lean more toward saying oil interests who operate what is essentially a monopoly on personal transportation have found themselves in a situation where they are too central to the American economy. Without intentionally planning to do so, they have the country in the most serious national security dilemma since WWII where we have two options:

    1. Modernize the energy sector by converting to alternatives to the greatest extent possible as quickly as possible.
    2. Kill our way out of it by eliminating security threats militarily with the understanding that the part of the world we presently depend upon for oil and will continue to depend upon is populated by people who hate us, always will and are willing to engage in acts of violence against us until we are completely out of their midst.
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