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Thread: The real source of our problems....

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    Re: The real source of our problems....

    Quote Originally Posted by wolfman24 View Post
    No not at all i was merely supplementing your point with how many contractors bend the military weapons contracts to thier benefit. The way a defense contractor makes its money would be dependant on how diversified it was. If its sole purpose in life (and there several like this) is to make money off DOD and thereby us, then they must continue to do business as usual within that construct. But like you said the really big boys can probably get along with out the DOD, but also see it as the goose that keeps laying the golden egg.

    Making war is not their business making money is. whether it be DOD or somewhere else they will find a way to do it.
    I am on the defense contractor side. Everything we propose is to meet a stated government need in a statement of work or Professional Work Statement. We don't make things up. We make every possible effort to meet our customers' needs considering what is most important to them. Sometimes speed in development and delivery is all important. And at other times affordability drives every trade study and decision.
    Procurement and acquisition are very complicated. The government makes it far harder than it should be.

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    Re: The real source of our problems....

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    No, it wouldn't. It seems you missed my post 3 above yours. Let's be real.
    So basically you just have to kill pass a threshold then?

    So massive human rights abuses don't count?
    "If your opponent is of choleric temperament, seek to irritate him." - Sun Tzu

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    Re: The real source of our problems....

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    So basically you just have to kill pass a threshold then?

    So massive human rights abuses don't count?
    Priorities. Reality.

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    Re: The real source of our problems....

    I picked other. By which I mean the Jews.

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    Re: The real source of our problems....

    I think defense spending is indeed a huge component of our problem however i also believe getting healthcare prices down, reforming safety nets, and fixing the tax system also are huge components. Shrinking and making more efficient departments is also a good place to start. I believe these are issues both sides could agree on if they got their heads out their asses.
    "We’re going to close the unproductive tax loopholes that allow some of the truly wealthy to avoid paying their fair share. In theory, some of those loopholes were understandable, but in practice they sometimes made it possible for millionaires to pay nothing, while a bus driver was paying ten percent of his salary, and that’s crazy." -Reagan

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    Re: The real source of our problems....

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    Either waste, fraud and abuse is illegal or it is policy. Which do you believe it is?
    If it is illegal and you observed it but did not report it why aren't you culpable? Would you fail to report a rape?
    I just said it was policy. You don't even read what I write, do you?

    There's nothing to report, they know how wasteful they're being. You tend to forget that the army can pretty much do whatever it wants in house and get away with it. Unless you want to start calling congressman. Good luck changing the whole system
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    I've got to say that it is shadenfreudalicious to see the rich and famous fucquewads on the coast suffering from the fires.

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    Re: The real source of our problems....

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Your post here is a ridiculous apples-to-oranges comparison, as you A) assume that 100% of spent money represents borrowed money and B) add in interest for that borrowed money to the cost and C) add in all future assessed liabilities. And that's before I get into the ridiculous nature of your source, which started with their conclusion and worked backwards.

    However, by the standards you have proposed, the wars cost $3.7 Trillion. Social Security costs more than $8.6 Trillion. And Medicare costs more than $38.6 Trillion (I have not included the interest for the debt for either of those, which needless to say would radically increase their score).





    The military is expensive. But it's not the thing driving our debt.

    Medicare and social security are staples that we've always had and are necessary. These necessary staples fall comfortably within the budget without the unnecessary wars and bailouts. The defense companies and companies like Halliburton realized that they could churn endless amounts of non-stop profit by
    A. Buying the politicians and lobbyists and media because these are all you need to convince America that if we don't start these wars, the "terrorists" are going to get us. They then allocate billions and billions for defense spending with bills like the NDAA, have their cronies in the government see to it that THEY get all the contracts, and presto, you have set in motion an endless mechanism that does nothing but generate obscene wealth and power to those few. They are royally ganking us and it will not stop unless we stop it or until total economic collapse after which it has been suggested they will try to enslave us in camps. It's not too difficult to see this. There are tangible elements in every aspect of this that paint this picture.

    "Bailouts" are just plain wrong in a capitalistic society. These elitist bankers piss on us but we're going to bail them out when they fail??? Unless every American is granted this luxury, we shouldn't bail out elitists when their business fails because when we default on our mortgage, they're not going to bail us out, they're going to throw us out! How about that bailout a few years back where the first thing they did was hand out bonuses with the money!
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    Re: The real source of our problems....

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    I just said it was policy. You don't even read what I write, do you?

    There's nothing to report, they know how wasteful they're being. You tend to forget that the army can pretty much do whatever it wants in house and get away with it. Unless you want to start calling congressman. Good luck changing the whole system
    You mentioned congressmen. Well, they are a problem. They are too comfortable and too greased. Proof of this is the way they pass bills nowadays that are
    A. Unconstitutional
    B. Unlawful
    C. A threat to our sovereignty
    D. Could even be construed as a declaration of war by the government against the American people

    How is it that they so freely pass bills that violate the Constitution and Bill of Rights? Mandatory vaccinations? Indefinite detention with no charges?
    That's against the law. When bills are passed by congress that are against the law and violate the rights of citizens, they need to go. Period. I don't understand why they are still there. The same ones - THEY ARE STILL THERE! I don't get it.

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    Re: The real source of our problems....

    Quote Originally Posted by sKiTzo View Post
    You mentioned congressmen. Well, they are a problem. They are too comfortable and too greased. Proof of this is the way they pass bills nowadays that are
    A. Unconstitutional
    B. Unlawful
    C. A threat to our sovereignty
    D. Could even be construed as a declaration of war by the government against the American people

    How is it that they so freely pass bills that violate the Constitution and Bill of Rights? Mandatory vaccinations? Indefinite detention with no charges?
    That's against the law. When bills are passed by congress that are against the law and violate the rights of citizens, they need to go. Period. I don't understand why they are still there. The same ones - THEY ARE STILL THERE! I don't get it.
    Yep. Try to report wasteful military spending to a congressman and they'll just laugh "Who doesn't, son?"
    Quote Originally Posted by LowDown View Post
    I've got to say that it is shadenfreudalicious to see the rich and famous fucquewads on the coast suffering from the fires.

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    Re: The real source of our problems....

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    if we do not find a way to reign in costs while still extending the maximum possible protection to our lower-income seniors, then it will collapse, and they will be left in the cold :.
    We don;t need to police the world and wrongfully impose our will upon other cultures, but we need to take care of our elderly so lets reign in the ridiculous military spending.

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