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Thread: The real source of our problems....

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    Re: The real source of our problems....

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    Of course you are. Defense contractors make their money in a variety of ways ranging from the development of new technologies to the maintenance of existing fleets. Heck, there are plenty of friendly foreign countries to sell military gear to, as well.

    In other words, they don't need us to go to war in order to make money, and considering our foreign policy of the last 40 years they certainly don't need a conspiracy in order to get us onto the battlefield -- all they have to do is be patient.
    I think the question is who has been controlling our foreign poilicy for the last 40 years? How much has the defense lobby influenced our decisons on what conflicts are in our own best interests?

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    Re: The real source of our problems....

    Quote Originally Posted by sKiTzo View Post

    Poll Question: Am I crazy to say that those who run the "military industrial complex" have hijacked our government and are sucking us dry?
    My estimation of your degree of sanity has little to do with your posing a single question.
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    Re: The real source of our problems....

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    I think the question is who has been controlling our foreign poilicy for the last 40 years? How much has the defense lobby influenced our decisons on what conflicts are in our own best interests?
    I'd say that there's been a healthy mix of fear (of communism), and commercial interests at work, and that the defense lobby isn't going to waste money on the foreign policy angle when the policy made war inevitable as it was.
    I'm already gearing up for Finger Vote 2014.

    Just for reference, means my post was a giant steaming pile of sarcasm.

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    Re: The real source of our problems....

    Quote Originally Posted by sKiTzo View Post
    War is a business to them. If there is no war, they have to start one or they lose profits. Exorbitant profits.. OUR TAX DOLLARS>>>>>>"DEFENSE" SPENDING>>>>>TRILLIONS>>> MILITARY INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX. Do you honestly think we would be in any more "danger" had we not been at war the last two decades and spent zillions? Could you maybe see how they might have contrived these wars for profit and/or private agenda?

    Poll Question: Am I crazy to say that those who run the "military industrial complex" have hijacked our government and are sucking us dry?
    Yes. Yes you are.

    What percentage of our gross domestic product do we spend on the constitutional requirement to provide for the common defense?
    How much to se spend on the welfare state?

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    Re: The real source of our problems....

    Quote Originally Posted by Quag View Post
    Why does sKiTzo keep asking people if he is nuts?
    Perhaps he is seeking validation.

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    Re: The real source of our problems....

    I dont find this crazy at all...


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    Re: The real source of our problems....

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    Its politicians that create war not the military...the military only goes where politicians tell them or allow them to go, seems your complaints whether legitimate or not are misplaced. You should rail on the politicians who start war and who are in fact in charge of what the military does and where it goes.
    I think this is a bit niave. The hierarchy of the military has been influencing poltical decision since forever. Bay of Pigs is a great example. When I worked for the DOD at Ft Riley and at DLA HQ in Michigan I can't tell you how many field grade and command grade officers who had sworn alliegance to this country considered the Military to be the country. Not part of it but THE Country like they were in charge. Disgusting.
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    Re: The real source of our problems....

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    Considering the combined cost of the wars in afghanistan and iraq has been almost 4 trillion dollars, you're statement is entirely false. Unless you honestly believe we've given 4 trillion in bailouts?

    Not to mention these are the direct additional costs of running the wars, not the amount we pay for maintaining such a large military.
    Cost of war at least $3.7 trillion and counting | Reuters
    could not have said this better. The military budget alone is going to be half of the total some day and how much of that is accountable? And please don't give me the "all of it" crap. The GAO reports from 1960 til today. the DOD cannot account for over 15% of what its given. Independant sources have for years said the DOD could sustain a 30% or more cut in funding with little or no effect on performance.

    Now add in the cost of unfunded and unnecessary "wars" and its a nightmare.
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    Re: The real source of our problems....

    Quote Originally Posted by wolfman24 View Post
    could not have said this better. The military budget alone is going to be half of the total some day and how much of that is accountable? And please don't give me the "all of it" crap. The GAO reports from 1960 til today. the DOD cannot account for over 15% of what its given. Independant sources have for years said the DOD could sustain a 30% or more cut in funding with little or no effect on performance.

    Now add in the cost of unfunded and unnecessary "wars" and its a nightmare.
    Yep, you nailed it. The 7 years I was in the army I saw an unbelievable amount of fraud, waste, and abuse. Anyone that says that funds are accounted for in the military is a joke.
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    Re: The real source of our problems....

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    The REAL source of the problem is having expenditures greater than income. Our politicians mouths write checks that our citizens' asses can't cash. The wars are one of the many many sources we have contributing to our debt, but certainly not all.
    You are absolutely correct. It is most certainly not all however It is a major chunk. They ARE profiteering though and proof of this would be the no-bid contracts that they award for exorbitant unxhallenged sums. You can't deny that because it's what they are doing - plain and simple. The reports (by our own soldiers) of war crimes DO exist. Our own soldiers are saying the whole "terrorist threat" thing is being overinflated and that we are actually the terrorists now. This shows that the real reasons are the private interests. This is ongoing and it's not going to stop because the American people are buying it hook, line, and sinker.

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