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Thread: Are Unions Still Viable?

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    Re: Are Unions Still Viable?

    Quote Originally Posted by 274ina View Post
    The UCMJ is your work rules.......
    Actually, the UCMJ are punitive rules and have nothing to do with "work rules" as you define them. We have no work rules. If I have to work 12 hours to get a job done, guess what, I work them. If I need someone to not eat lunch so we can get a job done, guess what, he doesn't eat and neither do I. If my work calls me at 1am and needs me in, guess what, I'm going in. In addition, I see that you were Army Reserve to which I would reply HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA if you think that means you know ANYTHING about military life. Trust me, I know much more about the reserve than you know about active. I am on an Inspector Instructor staff for a Marine Reserve unit now and work with a nearby Army Reserve unit sometimes. The Marine Corps does their reserve in a much more in depth manner than any other service and our guys don't have a clue about active duty either. So if they don't, I certainly know that you don't. .
    Quote Originally Posted by 274ina View Post
    And here is why unions are needed in USA.
    Breaks at Work, including your Lunch Breaks
    Paid Vacation
    Sick Leave
    Social Security
    Minimum Wage
    Civil Rights Act/Title VII (Prohibits Employer Discrimination)
    8-Hour Work Day
    Overtime Pay
    Child Labor Laws
    Occupational Safety & Health Act (OSHA)
    40 Hour Work Week
    Worker's Compensation (Worker's Comp)
    Unemployment Insurance
    Workplace Safety Standards and Regulations
    Employer Health Care Insurance
    Collective Bargaining Rights for Employees
    Wrongful Termination Laws
    Age Discrimination in Employment Act of 1967
    Whistleblower Protection Laws
    Employee Polygraph Protect Act (Prohibits Employer from using a lie detector test on an employee)
    Veteran's Employment and Training Services (VETS)
    Compensation increases and Evaluations (Raises)
    Sexual Harassment Laws
    Americans With Disabilities Act (ADA)
    Holiday Pay
    Employer Dental, Life, and Vision Insurance
    Privacy Rights
    Pregnancy and Parental Leave
    Military Leave
    The Right to Strike
    Public Education for Children
    Equal Pay Acts of 1963 & 2011 (Requires employers pay men and women equally for the same amount of work)
    Laws Ending Sweatshops in the United States

    none of which military "workers" have.......and know nothing about. ( 9 years USAR so I know military LOL)
    You're right, we don't have any of this crap. I could imagine how unproductive we would be with a lot of it. The DOD already burns through money at the cyclic rate, we shouldn't have unproductive military members as well. I could imagine a grunt on patrol taking his mandatory 15 minute union break halfway through. Or worse yet, having to plan operations around crap like that. Also, the majority of the stuff you named is legislation or departments of the federal gov't, not things that any union bargained with any company about.
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    Re: Are Unions Still Viable?

    I just wanted to add that most anti-union people have a greater responsibility for propping up the middle class that unions themselves do. Henry Ford for instance doubled the wages of his workers. Hitler gave minimum wages and Germany prospered. I honestly don't think unions have done anything the free market wouldn't have done itself. Instead all they do is syphon money from workers and likely give them to organized crime...
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    Re: Are Unions Still Viable?

    In the fascist US Corpocracy only the extremley rich and corrupt are permitted to form Unions

    Ordinary workers are permitted to function as slaves and survive on ever shrinking wages and increasingly dangerous and toxic work envionments

    According to Dostoevsky, the level of humanity, freedom and civility present in a society is reflected by the state of the prison system and its prisoners. And the US has the largest prisoner population in the world (making up about 28% of the worlds prisoners - almost all corporatised profit making prisons that leach of the state for funds)

    The strength of grass roots Unionism is also a direct reflection of the health of the democratic process within a society - and in the USA the state of Unionism amongst ordinary workers is all but crushed.

    This shouldn't surprise anyone. The USA is a brutal fascist Corpocratic Oligarchy where not only wealth and power is concentrated in a few hands, but the remaining citizenry has become nothing more than consuming, obedient slaves.

    We witnessed what happened in the last Global financial crisis - the criminal elite who caused the crises were bailed out AGAIN by the masses, the tax payer, the middle classes. They are now EVEN richer - thats how the corrupt corpocratic regime works

    The US flag has been altered - and the AMerican people are told to look elsewhere for scapegoats and solutions

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    Last edited by Klown; 10-04-12 at 07:28 AM.

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