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    Re: Are Unions Still Viable?

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    Or, the worker could have just reported it to OSHA without all of the middlemen. Basically all the local president did was something that the worker could have done anyway. BTW, work places are required to have a poster up providing an anonymous hotline to call in case of something like this. If the workplace is in violation of this, the worker can Google the number and report the violation and the lack of a poster. The worker is paying union dues for something he could have done to begin with.
    Nope if the worker reports to osha he opens himself up to retaliation by the management. Thats what unions are for to represent the workers...and thats what osha is for...the managements that refuse to repair or fix unsafe working conditions....
    Osha was established because of the chronic horrific working conditions american workers were under during the sweatshop days...that mentality is still prevalent...they just cant get away with it anymore...sorry marine...I dont share you view that business and business people are all wonderful..

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    Re: Are Unions Still Viable?

    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    Labor has been a vialble part of the American job for generations, because labor sets a standards that non union companies have to compete with. The government for its part has been forced through union eforts to regognize and the legislate for better conditions and wages as well. Now, since 1980, look what's happened to wages and benifts. The pension system as we have known it, since at least the 50s in under direct assault with an eye toward extinction. As far as the courst and labor conditions are concerned, I can tell that in most if not all cases it takes up to two years to get resloved and your chances are 50-50 going into it. With a union contract, the results are instant. Non union compaines fire at will, not so with a good contract, the company must show "good cause".

    I'm sort of with you on Osha, I don't much care for it myself, it adds more to the coffers and just creates a bureaucracy that was, up until then, not needed with a union contract: wild cat strikes used to solve a lot of the little problems as well. But with the non union world, governemtn has becomne a necessary factor becasue companies won;t see to these things themselves as a rule.

    So, yes, unions are still a very important part of the American job market.
    the "fire at will" thing is entirely dependent on the employment contract.... it's false to claim all non-union companies can fire at will.... many do, in fact, have "good cause" clauses... many don't

    that said, I agree that unions are still viable in the private sector.

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    Re: Are Unions Still Viable?

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    Nope if the worker reports to osha he opens himself up to retaliation by the management. Thats what unions are for to represent the workers...and thats what osha is for...the managements that refuse to repair or fix unsafe working conditions....
    Osha was established because of the chronic horrific working conditions american workers were under during the sweatshop days...that mentality is still prevalent...they just cant get away with it anymore...sorry marine...I dont share you view that business and business people are all wonderful..
    do you know what "anonymous hotline" means?

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    Re: Are Unions Still Viable?

    I am a union steward with the US government, and Unions really have no power. We can't strike. If we, by 30% of the total number of employees in the office have been elected to represent them, we can only hold management's feet to the fire by what is written in the union contract, or if management is requiring employees to do something that is against the law or unsafe, then we can call it to their attention. If they refuse to stop what they are asking, we can file a grievance and eventually bring it up before a judge. If management comes up with something that is not in the contract, they are supposed to meet with the union to iron out the plans, but the union cannot stop management's planned move, the Union is only there to make things easier and more explainable to the employees. In a nutshell, government unions are powerless, but their leadership is in the tank for Obama. I, on the other hand, do not support Obama, nor any of their the socialist agenda.

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    Re: Are Unions Still Viable?

    Public Unions should be abolished. As long as the unions are allowed to continue buying Democrat politicians, fair bargaining does not exist and the public gets screwed!!!!!!!!!

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    Re: Are Unions Still Viable?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    the "fire at will" thing is entirely dependent on the employment contract.... it's false to claim all non-union companies can fire at will.... many do, in fact, have "good cause" clauses... many don't

    that said, I agree that unions are still viable in the private sector.
    I was speaking in terms of the general rule.
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    Re: Are Unions Still Viable?

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    Nope if the worker reports to osha he opens himself up to retaliation by the management. Thats what unions are for to represent the workers...and thats what osha is for...the managements that refuse to repair or fix unsafe working conditions....
    Osha was established because of the chronic horrific working conditions american workers were under during the sweatshop days...that mentality is still prevalent...they just cant get away with it anymore...sorry marine...I dont share you view that business and business people are all wonderful..
    Anonymous brother, anonymous. You don't have to identify yourself when you call in the violation. I don't own a view that business and business people are all wonderful either.
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    Re: Are Unions Still Viable?

    Quote Originally Posted by GmH View Post
    Public Unions should be abolished. As long as the unions are allowed to continue buying Democrat politicians, fair bargaining does not exist and the public gets screwed!!!!!!!!!
    Well, since you put it in that font and size, everyone will listen now
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    Re: Are Unions Still Viable?

    Quote Originally Posted by GmH View Post
    Public Unions should be abolished. As long as the unions are allowed to continue buying Democrat politicians, fair bargaining does not exist and the public gets screwed!!!!!!!!!
    that's a faulty rationale to use...

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    Re: Are Unions Still Viable?

    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    I was speaking in terms of the general rule.
    I figured you were... I just felt like pointing out that the union talking point wasn't accurate.

    personally, i'm a big fan of at-will employment law... and the benefits it provides.

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