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    Re: Are Unions Still Viable?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    You are simply anti-union.

    History proves your assumption are false. Look at the greatest period of prosperity in the last century in America - the Fifties and Sixties - and they are also the period of highest percentage of union membership. Your allegations about history and unions are simply false and not supported.


    As to foreign outsourcing and not impacting union states - I have no idea what you are talking about. It seems that neither do you since you simply threw a few words out there and did not develop the thought.
    the 50's and 60's were not the greatest period of prosperity in the last century....nor would I attribute prosperity to the presence of unions ( they, however, cannot me discounted either)

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    Re: Are Unions Still Viable?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    the 50's and 60's were not the greatest period of prosperity in the last century....nor would I attribute prosperity to the presence of unions ( they, however, cannot me discounted either)
    in your opinion, what was?
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    Re: Are Unions Still Viable?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    in your opinion, what was?
    i'm hestitent to claim any periods of economic prosperity as being the "greatest"( each period is a little different, and it all depends on the metrics employed to rank each of them)... but as a matter of opinion, i'd probably say 82' to 99'..and there is an argument for 20' to 29' being pretty badass as well.

    if we go back just beyond a century, the period which you admittedly despise.. the gilded age.. surpasses( by most metrics) all periods of economic prosperity before and since.

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    Re: Are Unions Still Viable?

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    You and your 'liker' are the best counter arguments I could possibly make.

    Unions are leeches. They dont start businesses. They dont hire people. They have outlived their usefulness and today serve to protect incompetent workers and stuff political campaign coffers.

    You and your LIKERS are to be what theyve always been ignored and laughed at...and lastly soundly rejected, like you will be AGAIN on nov 5th

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    Re: Are Unions Still Viable?

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    You and your LIKERS are to be what theyve always been ignored and laughed at...and lastly soundly rejected, like you will be AGAIN on nov 5th
    Oh I have no doubt. I expect you and the Obamaphone crowd will be dancing in the streets celebrating another 4 years of the last 4 years. Ive always said so. My candidate will probably poll at about 2-3%. 4 years from now...32 trillion in debt from now...with US as strong and economically viable as Greece...you and others will line up to support the next crop of clowns. Rinse lather repeat.

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    Re: Are Unions Still Viable?

    Yes of course they are. Ask Chicago's teachers...


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    Re: Are Unions Still Viable?

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Oh I have no doubt. I expect you and the Obamaphone crowd will be dancing in the streets celebrating another 4 years of the last 4 years. Ive always said so. My candidate will probably poll at about 2-3%. 4 years from now...32 trillion in debt from now...with US as strong and economically viable as Greece...you and others will line up to support the next crop of clowns. Rinse lather repeat.
    While your sniffling and whining over your rejection. You and your likers should be used to rejection, the country always rejects far lefties and far righters....most of the country has normal thoughts and expectations and realize that all citizens have basic needs....so not to worry you will survive the rejection until your rejected again in 2016

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    Re: Are Unions Still Viable?

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    I will give you the perfect example to answer your post...whether you accept it is up to you....I worked for a company and I was in the union...the shop steward recieved numerous complaints from union workers about an unsafe working condition. He went to management brought up the concern, management blew him off and said there is no safety issues it was worker laziness and error that caused the injuries....The shop steward called the Local President and explained the situation and the union had their lawyer look into it....the lawyer found that in a 7 yr period 34 employees were injured over this steamer...he checked further and found the steamer not to be up to safety code...he contacted management and afforded them an opportunity to JUST FIX THE STEAMER....they refused and kept denying there was a problem...the lawyer took the next step osha stepped investigated the steamer said it was NOT UP TO SAFTEY cod and they had x amount of time to fix it...and then the fines start.....they fixed it...they could have saved alot of time and alot of problems.....THATS what unions and Osha does...some people just cannot understand how unscrupulous and uncaring some in business. The workers and their unions are not the villains republicans always want to make them out to be...you have villains of your own
    Or, the worker could have just reported it to OSHA without all of the middlemen. Basically all the local president did was something that the worker could have done anyway. BTW, work places are required to have a poster up providing an anonymous hotline to call in case of something like this. If the workplace is in violation of this, the worker can Google the number and report the violation and the lack of a poster. The worker is paying union dues for something he could have done to begin with.
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    Re: Are Unions Still Viable?

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    I recently attended a course where I was instructed on the inspection of OSHA code as well as Laser, Radiation, small arms firing range, etc safety. I started thinking while I was subjected to death by Power Point "With all of these OSHA codes, minimum wage, workman's comp laws, etc. What do union's do?" Therein lies the question. What DO unions do? OSHA code, if you are not familiar with it, is the epitomy of ridiculous regulations imposed by the Federal gov't. Some of it is good, I will admit, but dictating how many toilets I have to have on a work site is going a little far. Minimum wage is something we are all familiar with. Workman's Comp is very complicated however, it is required in all states depending upon the states regulations. Unions don't have to negotiate safer working environments, the Federal gov't does that already. They don't have to negotiate salary, the Federal gov't does that already. They don't have to make businesses compensate injured employees, the state governments does that already. What I see of unions is almost always bad. They demand pay that is more than the market rate. They demand benefits that are more than the market rate. They demand work conditions that are more than OSHA code requires. Unions, IMO, were needed in the early industrialization of the US. Now, they are nothing more than an irritant. Am I wrong?
    ***Please, keep the debate civil. Just because someone holds a different opinion than you doesn't mean they are a lesser form of human than you.***
    Labor has been a vialble part of the American job for generations, because labor sets a standards that non union companies have to compete with. The government for its part has been forced through union eforts to regognize and the legislate for better conditions and wages as well. Now, since 1980, look what's happened to wages and benifts. The pension system as we have known it, since at least the 50s in under direct assault with an eye toward extinction. As far as the courst and labor conditions are concerned, I can tell that in most if not all cases it takes up to two years to get resloved and your chances are 50-50 going into it. With a union contract, the results are instant. Non union compaines fire at will, not so with a good contract, the company must show "good cause".

    I'm sort of with you on Osha, I don't much care for it myself, it adds more to the coffers and just creates a bureaucracy that was, up until then, not needed with a union contract: wild cat strikes used to solve a lot of the little problems as well. But with the non union world, governemtn has becomne a necessary factor becasue companies won;t see to these things themselves as a rule.

    So, yes, unions are still a very important part of the American job market.
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    Re: Are Unions Still Viable?

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    While your sniffling and whining over your rejection. You and your likers should be used to rejection, the country always rejects far lefties and far righters....most of the country has normal thoughts and expectations and realize that all citizens have basic needs....so not to worry you will survive the rejection until your rejected again in 2016
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