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    Re: Is Homework Detention necessary?

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    This thread is a shining example of why we're being absolutely stomped by the educational systems of most other developed countries.
    Yes. Not sure whether we agree for the same reasons...but the facts of our shameful underperformance in comparison to other countries (in math, including North Korea) are out there.

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    Re: Is Homework Detention necessary?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    How much work do you expect children to do? Six to seven hours in school every weekday SHOULD be more than enough time to teach the necessary material. Socialization and play are also VERY important components in a child's development.

    Should we make children work for 8-9 hours a day? Because that's what we are doing by giving them homework. When do they get to play and just be kids? And I don't think our "failures" have anything at all to do with homework. Give me a break!
    I can say only that the students I know who are homeschooled generally spend half the time "in school" than their public school counterparts and yet are twice as prepared. Makes me think that just a whole lot of "socialization" and time-wasting goes on in schools, truthfully.

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    Re: Is Homework Detention necessary?

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    I can say only that the students I know who are homeschooled generally spend half the time "in school" than their public school counterparts and yet are twice as prepared. Makes me think that just a whole lot of "socialization" and time-wasting goes on in schools, truthfully.
    So make the children work harder and longer for the failures of the school system? I don't know anything about home schooling. I went to public school and hardly ever did my homework. I had a 3.8 gradepoint average in college though. Go figure.

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    Re: Is Homework Detention necessary?

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    Yes. Not sure whether we agree for the same reasons...but the facts of our shameful underperformance in comparison to other countries (in math, including North Korea) are out there.
    I think it's multifaceted, of course, but it primarily comes down to two things:

    1. Poor methodology.
    2. Lack of drive in students, caused by lack of concern from parents.

    "My kid shouldn't have to do work outside of class" is not a valid argument, IMO. If the homework assigned is poorly constructed, or if the lessons are weak, I get the underlying point. I don't, however, agree that in a general sense homework should be disregarded. My homework was always valuable. Study plans for spelling and grammar, higher-end math applications, research papers, book analysis (not book REPORTS, mind you)...and while it was sometimes a pain in the ass to stay up studying 100+ vocabulary words, I can tell you it's made me infinitely more impressive to employers when I throw out those SAT words and use them properly.

    So homework certainly has a place. If the lessons are not hard enough, if the class structure neglects the more advanced student, if there are other issues then by all means, address those issues. But it seems wholly counterproductive to me to sit around saying, "It's dumb, my kid won't do it, and they shouldn't be punished for not doing it" doesn't solve anything, and in the long run it hurts the kid just as much as a bad education.
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    Re: Is Homework Detention necessary?

    I'm probably gonna get it for this one, but I think it would be much better for the kids education-wise if the boys and the girls were kept separate.

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    Re: Is Homework Detention necessary?

    My school doesn't care if you don't do your homework, you get a zero and you fail.

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    Re: Is Homework Detention necessary?

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    2. Lack of drive in students, caused by lack of concern from parents.
    This is not necessarily true. I am the only person in my family with a college degree, let alone advanced degrees. My father was a high school drop out, my mother graduated high school.

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    Re: Is Homework Detention necessary?

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    I think it's multifaceted, of course, but it primarily comes down to two things:

    1. Poor methodology.
    2. Lack of drive in students, caused by lack of concern from parents.

    "My kid shouldn't have to do work outside of class" is not a valid argument, IMO. If the homework assigned is poorly constructed, or if the lessons are weak, I get the underlying point. I don't, however, agree that in a general sense homework should be disregarded. My homework was always valuable. Study plans for spelling and grammar, higher-end math applications, research papers, book analysis (not book REPORTS, mind you)...and while it was sometimes a pain in the ass to stay up studying 100+ vocabulary words, I can tell you it's made me infinitely more impressive to employers when I throw out those SAT words and use them properly.

    So homework certainly has a place. If the lessons are not hard enough, if the class structure neglects the more advanced student, if there are other issues then by all means, address those issues. But it seems wholly counterproductive to me to sit around saying, "It's dumb, my kid won't do it, and they shouldn't be punished for not doing it" doesn't solve anything, and in the long run it hurts the kid just as much as a bad education.
    Yes, homework for vocabulary words and things like that is fine, but when the kids are given homework from every class and have to work for 2-3 hours a day on homework on top of what they did in school, I think they just get discouraged and burned out.

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    Re: Is Homework Detention necessary?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    I'm probably gonna get it for this one, but I think it would be much better for the kids education-wise if the boys and the girls were kept separate.
    There are potential benefits to this.

    1. Children, especially young children, tend to retain more knowledge when their educator is the same sex as them.
    2. Boys and girls tend to learn better using completely different methods. Boys are much more inclined to prefer active learning (movement) verses recitation, for example. Boys are also much more spatially oriented.

    I would propose a completely different system that the one we currently employ, where most students end up in a class room on a random lottery. I think we should heightened our evaluation processes and utilize those processes to rank students by level of accomplishment, then divide them into classes by those levels. The students would never need to know what level they were at versus another student, but it would prevent the advanced kids from stagnating and the lowest performers from being lost in the shuffle, succeeding only through social promotion.
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    Re: Is Homework Detention necessary?

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    I think it's multifaceted, of course, but it primarily comes down to two things:

    1. Poor methodology.
    2. Lack of drive in students, caused by lack of concern from parents.

    "My kid shouldn't have to do work outside of class" is not a valid argument, IMO. If the homework assigned is poorly constructed, or if the lessons are weak, I get the underlying point. I don't, however, agree that in a general sense homework should be disregarded. My homework was always valuable. Study plans for spelling and grammar, higher-end math applications, research papers, book analysis (not book REPORTS, mind you)...and while it was sometimes a pain in the ass to stay up studying 100+ vocabulary words, I can tell you it's made me infinitely more impressive to employers when I throw out those SAT words and use them properly.

    So homework certainly has a place. If the lessons are not hard enough, if the class structure neglects the more advanced student, if there are other issues then by all means, address those issues. But it seems wholly counterproductive to me to sit around saying, "It's dumb, my kid won't do it, and they shouldn't be punished for not doing it" doesn't solve anything, and in the long run it hurts the kid just as much as a bad education.
    If you want academic excellence and the growth of knowledge in individuals, you have to tailor the education, to the student.
    Rather than make the student fit in with the education model.
    It's the primary problem with modern education.

    Cram 30 kids, with 30 different abilities, in 1 class and you won't get great results.
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